Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

[elbows]

Yup! I was going to follow up and kept deleting as everything I wrote looked too open to interpretation! Where a power imbalance exists, such a problem can occur.

Yeah. Although I should say that I am saying this in the broad context of power, I have no issue with men being presented as the primary wielders of physical power, sexual violence etc.

 

[19force8]

Thanks, crossthebreeze. And yeah, I'm sure leaving out the "lifetime" part to try to falsely imply that lesbian women are more violent than men was a total accident because that'd be a pretty shitty homophobic and sexist thing to do on purpose.

You're right, it would have been if that was the intent. If, however the intent was to make people think differently about their prejudices* then it might have served another purpose. Why don't you just ask the op what their intentions were?

* there have been people on this thread who have asserted that men are responsible for all sexual violence and therefore transwomen should be denied the use of women's toilets, changing rooms, shelters, etc and should be incarcerated in men's prisons.

 

[Sea Star]

Yeah. Although I should say that I am saying this in the broad context of power, I have no issue with men being presented as the primary wielders of physical power, sexual violence etc.

cis men

 

[scifisam]

You're right, it would have been if that was the intent. If, however the intent was to make people think differently about their prejudices* then it might have served another purpose. Why don't you just ask the op what their intentions were?

* there have been people on this thread who have asserted that men are responsible for all sexual violence and therefore transwomen should be denied the use of women's toilets, changing rooms, shelters, etc and should be incarcerated in men's prisons.

Making people think about their prejudices by lying? Defending trans people by attacking lesbians? That'd be pretty fucking homophobic, too. You don't get a free pass for homophobia just because you're trans. You seem to think that's fine (and you're lying about what people on this thread have said, too), but I don't. I'd rather pretend to myself that it was an honest mistake.

THIS is why I didn't have the emotional energy for this thread.

 

[elbows]

19force8 was just on about possible intent, I dont see judgements within it regarding how accurately the information was portrayed.

 

[19force8]

Making people think about their prejudices by lying? Defending trans people by attacking lesbians? That'd be pretty fucking homophobic, too. You don't get a free pass for homophobia just because you're trans. You seem to think that's fine (and you're lying about what people on this thread have said, too), but I don't. I'd rather pretend to myself that it was an honest mistake.

THIS is why I didn't have the emotional energy for this thread.

Interesting, which part of what I said was a lie?

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Making people think about their prejudices by lying? Defending trans people by attacking lesbians? That'd be pretty fucking homophobic, too. You don't get a free pass for homophobia just because you're trans. You seem to think that's fine (and you're lying about what people on this thread have said, too), but I don't. I'd rather pretend to myself that it was an honest mistake.

THIS is why I didn't have the emotional energy for this thread.

We were pizza pie high by that time, I would wait for pengaleng to clarify

 

[scifisam]

Most of what you said, essentially, 19force8.

We were pizza pie high by that time, I would wait for pengaleng to clarify

No need. I've already said I'll just act as if it was a mistake. 19force8 is the one saying it wasn't and that that's OK.

19force8 was just on about possible intent, I dont see judgements within it regarding how accurately the information was portrayed.

I'm not sure how you think my post wasn't also talking about possible intent. If the possible intent was really what he claims then it would still be homophobic. Trying to get people to "think" doesn't mean portraying lesbians as violent rapists is OK.

I am out of this thread. It is not a safe space for lesbians. Well done, people.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Most of what you said, essentially, 19force8.



No need. I've already said I'll just act as if it was a mistake. 19force8 is the one saying it wasn't and that that's OK.



I'm not sure how you think my post wasn't also talking about possible intent. If the possible intent was really what he claims then it would still be homophobic. Trying to get people to "think" doesn't mean portraying lesbians as violent rapists is OK.

I am out of this thread. It is not a safe space for lesbians. Well done, people.

Oh dear.

 

[pengaleng]

btw everyone I cant be fucked to read essays, if you cant put your pwnage in a couple of sentences to make yer point I aint gonna read it.

 

[pengaleng]

Thanks, crossthebreeze. And yeah, I'm sure leaving out the "lifetime" part to try to falsely imply that lesbian women are more violent than men was a total accident because that'd be a pretty shitty homophobic and sexist thing to do on purpose.

uh huh, whatever all I see is people putting words in my homophobic mouth and all anyone can do is go mnerrrrrr the stats are wrong, so how come all the trans syats are right?? I cant be fucked to get into this with you.

 

[elbows]

Trying to get people to "think" doesn't mean portraying lesbians as violent rapists is OK.

I am out of this thread. It is not a safe space for lesbians. Well done, people.

Well then if the intent was to get people to think about how misuse of stats can unfairly portray trans people as violent rapists, and the associated fallout from that sort of thing, then mission accomplished.

I'm not sure that was the intent, but its the direction things seem to have gone.

 

[pengaleng]

mnerrrrrr but the stats are wrong tho the right people never answered the survey



bet I'm just homophobic inherently cus of who i am and I'm a traitor to siisterhood


and alllllll the stats about trans being violent are never wrong are they


get fucked.

 

[pengaleng]

Thanks, crossthebreeze. And yeah, I'm sure leaving out the "lifetime" part to try to falsely imply that lesbian women are more violent than men was a total accident because that'd be a pretty shitty homophobic and sexist thing to do on purpose.

FUCK YOU. and your sarcastic implication.

 

[crossthebreeze]

uh huh, whatever all I see is people putting words in my homophobic mouth and all anyone can do is go mnerrrrrr the stats are wrong, so how come all the trans syats are right?? I cant be fucked to get into this with you.

mnerrrrrr but the stats are wrong tho the right people never answered the survey



bet I'm just homophobic inherently cus of who i am and I'm a traitor to siisterhood


and alllllll the stats about trans being violent are never wrong are they


get fucked.

The stats aren't (necessarily) wrong, your interpretation of the stats is wrong. And - considering both me and scifisam have given you the benefit of the doubt about your motive - and you can't be bothered reading my explanation for where you've gone wrong with the stats, and you haven't shown where either of us has said that stats about trans people being violent - or transphobic interpretations of stats - are right - stop claiming you are being victimised.

 

[pengaleng]

Making people think about their prejudices by lying? Defending trans people by attacking lesbians? That'd be pretty fucking homophobic, too. You don't get a free pass for homophobia just because you're trans. You seem to think that's fine (and you're lying about what people on this thread have said, too), but I don't. I'd rather pretend to myself that it was an honest mistake.

THIS is why I didn't have the emotional energy for this thread.

FUCK YOURSELF YOU LITTLE SKANK

 

[pengaleng]

The stats aren't (necessarily) wrong, your interpretation of the stats is wrong. And - considering both me and scifisam have given you the benefit of the doubt about your motive - and you can't be bothered reading my explanation for where you've gone wrong with the stats, and you haven't shown where either of us has said that stats about trans people being violent - or transphobic interpretations of stats - are right - stop claiming you are being victimised.

couldnt give a toss anymore really, they can burn. I am going out, yours days can be ruined by this shit cus mine fucking well aint. enjoy.

and nice to see a little thing there about me being a 'victim' I'm the least fucking victim on this fucking website ffs.

 

[scifisam]

mnerrrrrr but the stats are wrong tho the right people never answered the survey



bet I'm just homophobic inherently cus of who i am and I'm a traitor to siisterhood


and alllllll the stats about trans being violent are never wrong are they


get fucked.

Talk about putting words into people's mouths. I never said you were homophobic "because of who you are." Nice way to accuse me of transphobia - what a surprise.

Apart from that one post I would never have thought of you as homophobic at all to be honest. Leaving out the word "lifetime" made all the difference to the interpretation of the stats.

I'm sure some (at least) of the trans stats are wrong too but that doesn't make lying about lesbians also OK. It's a shitty divide and conquer technique.

I really am off now though. Wish I'd never posted at all.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

The stats aren't (necessarily) wrong, your interpretation of the stats is wrong. And - considering both me and scifisam have given you the benefit of the doubt about your motive - and you can't be bothered reading my explanation for where you've gone wrong with the stats, and you haven't shown where either of us has said that stats about trans people being violent - or transphobic interpretations of stats - are right - stop claiming you are being victimised.

But then scifisam said it wasn't a safe space for lesbians. Safe as houses, this space!

 

[pengaleng]

Talk about putting words into people's mouths. I never said you were homophobic "because of who you are." Nice way to accuse me of transphobia - what a surprise.

Apart from that one post I would never have thought of you as homophobic at all to be honest. Leaving out the word "lifetime" made all the difference to the interpretation of the stats.

I'm sure some (at least) of the trans stats are wrong too but that doesn't make lying about lesbians also OK. It's a shitty divide and conquer technique.

I really am off now though. Wish I'd never posted at all.

fuck off basically.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

couldnt give a toss anymore really, they can burn. I am going out, yours days can be ruined by this shit cus mine fucking well aint. enjoy.

and nice to see a little thing there about me being a 'victim' I'm the least fucking victim on this fucking website ffs.

Chill. Time for more of your fucked up cheeseless pizza

 

[pengaleng]

oh I am suuuuuuch a LIÅR

god this website is such a waste.

 

[19force8]

Most of what you said, essentially, 19force8.

So which part of "people on this thread have asserted that men are responsible for all sexual violence and therefore transwomen should be denied the use of women's toilets, changing rooms, shelters, etc and should be incarcerated in men's prisons." was true then?

I'm not sure how you think my post wasn't also talking about possible intent. If the possible intent was really what he claims then it would still be homophobic. Trying to get people to "think" doesn't mean portraying lesbians as violent rapists is OK.

I am out of this thread. It is not a safe space for lesbians. Well done, people.

Okay, I wasn't clear on this point. Imo the way pengaleng presented the stats does not lead to the inference you drew. When they ask if it was "all men or transwomen" they are quite clearly making the point that only a proportion of the violence against lesbians is from women. Which is pretty much what the report says.

But you're out of this thread. Ho hum.

 

[pengaleng]

they twisted me fuckin words mnerrrrr you must be homophobic

that whole safe space for lesbians is another sly fucking dig as well, got your number 118

 

[Sea Star]

You're right, it would have been if that was the intent. If, however the intent was to make people think differently about their prejudices* then it might have served another purpose. Why don't you just ask the op what their intentions were?

* there have been people on this thread who have asserted that men are responsible for all sexual violence and therefore transwomen should be denied the use of women's toilets, changing rooms, shelters, etc and should be incarcerated in men's prisons.

there have been people on this thread that have claimed that trans women are men and/or that trans women commit violent and sexual crimes at the same level as cis men. All the evidence says otherwise - and I've been here before so don't have to go into it any deeper here.

So for every trans woman (or crossdressing male for that matter) who commits a violent and/or sexual crime and it is splashed all over the media, who is putting it into the context of similar crimes being perpetrated by cis women? If trans women are seen to have a pattern of crime - and the nature of that crime is - similar to cis women, then i guess that pulls the rug from under a lot of reasons being put up for why trans women should be treated as if we're men - not just men - but highly suspect men, likely to be perverts and child abusers apparently (and please don't show me the disrepect to tell me that this isn't exactly what is being implied, even by some on here).

 

[Sea Star]

You don't get a free pass for homophobia just because you're trans. .

FFS - trans people face homophobia too. The portion of the population of trans people who are LGB is much, much higher than cis people who are LGB. Can all the cis people arguing on here please stop dumping on trans people?

 

[Sea Star]

But then scifisam said it wasn't a safe space for lesbians. Safe as houses, this space!

who is it safe for? - I'm struggling here as it is.

 

[Sea Star]

mnerrrrrr but the stats are wrong tho the right people never answered the survey



bet I'm just homophobic inherently cus of who i am and I'm a traitor to siisterhood


and alllllll the stats about trans being violent are never wrong are they


get fucked.

(((((peng)))))

 

[smokedout]

Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't Ian Huntley still be assessed as a danger to others in that event, and be treated accordingly?

Perhaps worth noting this story came from anonymous ex lags speaking to The Sun and Daily Star and a year after the story broke there has been no indication yet from a credible source that Huntley is seeking a gender change.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Perhaps worth noting this story came from anonymous ex lags speaking to The Sun and Daily Star and a year after the story broke there has been no indication yet from a credible source that Huntley is seeking a gender change.

I do remember drunkenly looking for a reliable source last night, but whether it's true or not it seems somewhat moot!