HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
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Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?
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have you ever explored your dark side?
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elbows
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Yeah I wasnt meaning to reflect on your motives etc and I dont mind what anyone else does (unless it kills the thread, which matters to me especially because this isnt just a debate, its also a source of info about evolving campaigns & associated news.)
It was just you mentioning it caused me to spout my own thoughts on that sort of thing. All the way through my participation in this thread I have to pick and choose what areas to go on about, there is so much I neglect, and when that happens its often not reflection of my priorities, but just what I think I can communicate at that moment. Which as we've seen are often somewhat tedious points (eg this very post), sometimes involves being very rude to a few people, sometimes bad puns etc.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Elbows you are sound. I am avoiding stuff too, it's a difficult subject . Night all 
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
You aren't rude at all, I often feel like a blunt instrument when you comment haha. You are good, stay with us!I'll be happy to be far less rude to people if it helps save the thread. The puns are not on the negotiating table
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Indeed you are !!!!!
littlebabyjesus
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This isn't about others. It's about you and how you post. It's fucking irritating and tiresome to have to constantly reply to this cap. Try sticking to what people actually say.
Athos
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Both things are demonstrably true, just on the face of this thread. You're a fantasist.
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Athos
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It ended when those who've been pushing to shut it down were handed the power to do so with a single reported post.
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Starry Wisdom
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mojo pixy
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Is that the aim with the insults then? Provoke that one more report so the thread gets shut?
Athos
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It's dead in the water, now, anyway. They don't need me as a pretext.
crossthebreeze
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scifisam doesn't have the energy to take this on, maybe i have. This a misrepresentation of the stats. You seem to be using stats that show how lesbians and bisexual woman are more likely to be the victims of violence to say that lesbians are more likely to perpetrate violence. Because this thread has had enough anger in it, I am just going to assume you just did not understand the statistics.
The statistics from the CDC report that you have quoted are for lifetime prevalence. Lots of lesbian women have male partners before they come out as lesbian, and many (or even most) bisexual women have also had male partners at some point in their life. In that report, while around two thirds (67.4%) of the lesbians who reported experiencing intimate partner violence did only have female perpetrator/s, 89.5% of the bisexual women who reported experiencing intimate partner violence had only male perpetrator.
The statistics in that report for lifetime prevalence of rape and other sexual violence show that the majority of women of all sexualities who experienced rape or sexual violence had only male perpetrators. 98.3% of the bisexual women who reported that they experienced rape in their lifetime and 87.5% of bisexual women who reported that they experienced sexual violence other than rape had only male perpetrators, for example.
Part of the problem with the report is that the sample size of LGBTQ people is so small. From Psychology Today:
One important fact to know in understanding the CDC data are the very low rates of people who reported anything but "straight" in answer to the sexual identity question:
"The sexual orientation of the sample included 96.5% females identified as heterosexual, 2.2% bisexual, and 1.3% lesbian. For males, 96.8% identified as heterosexual, 1.2% bisexual, and 2.0% gay." (p 6.).
The CDC sample is HUGE by the standards of most psychology research—16,507 people! However, these low rates still means that only 130 women identified as lesbian, for example.
That's already getting kind of low even for comparing victimization rates for all lesbians to victimization rates for other women. It's one reason why the rates are not statistically different.
To get at differences in the gender of perpetrators means slicing and dicing those 130 women into even smaller categories. First, as you said, 43.8% of them reported a victimization. That's 43.8% of 130 so now we are down to 57 self-identified lesbians who have experienced domestic violence.
Then, slicing and dicing again, 67.4% of those 57 victimized lesbians said they had only had female perpetrators—so 38 women. The rest of that group of 57, 19 women, reported at least one male IPV perpetrator."
If you look at the full CDC report, there's quite a few times where statistics aren't given for one group - percentage sex of perpetrator of rape for lesbian woman and gay and bisexual men, for example - because the numbers are too small to provide reliable statistics or estimates."The sexual orientation of the sample included 96.5% females identified as heterosexual, 2.2% bisexual, and 1.3% lesbian. For males, 96.8% identified as heterosexual, 1.2% bisexual, and 2.0% gay." (p 6.).
The CDC sample is HUGE by the standards of most psychology research—16,507 people! However, these low rates still means that only 130 women identified as lesbian, for example.
That's already getting kind of low even for comparing victimization rates for all lesbians to victimization rates for other women. It's one reason why the rates are not statistically different.
To get at differences in the gender of perpetrators means slicing and dicing those 130 women into even smaller categories. First, as you said, 43.8% of them reported a victimization. That's 43.8% of 130 so now we are down to 57 self-identified lesbians who have experienced domestic violence.
Then, slicing and dicing again, 67.4% of those 57 victimized lesbians said they had only had female perpetrators—so 38 women. The rest of that group of 57, 19 women, reported at least one male IPV perpetrator."
Getting reliable statistics on intimate partner violence amongst LGBTQ people does seem to be a problem [that article does give a good overview of LBTQ women's experience of intimate partner violence] - and lots of the studies either study lesbians but not bisexual women (or straight women who may have experienced violence from women), or define sexual or intimate partner violence in different ways so are not comparable.
Intimate partner violence is a problem in LGBQ relationships (including in relationships between women) and for LGBTQ people - and the statistics in that report for bisexual women are horrendous . But any attempt to paint lesbians or bisexual women as more sexually violent from that report is at best deeply flawed and at worst both homophobic and victim blaming.
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elbows
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There may be a difference between warnings, even ones containing explicit detail about how the thread will be killed if there are further reports, and what will actually happen. As such, rumours of the death of this thread are understandable but are not certainties.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Is that what was being painted, ooops that flew over my head at that time in the morning I just saw victims. I know women can be shit if they have power over you- I have always had female bosses and the current one is a flat out bully. Don't recall having a good boss really.
elbows
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The cruel and corrupting influence of power knows no boundaries. At least some of the perceived differences between the sexes on this front are more about who has tended to be granted a little nugget of power, rather than who has the greatest potential to misuse it.
HoratioCuthbert
Deep seated inconsequence
Yup! I was going to follow up and kept deleting as everything I wrote looked too open to interpretation! Where a power imbalance exists, such a problem can occur.
Who are in govt at the moment who are being used to push through the GRA btw?
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