Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

[Vintage Paw]

Holocaust Memorial is also about how people stood by while others were persecuted not just for who they were but for the views they held. A point missed by those who insist on remaining silent when points about freedom of speech and association, to give two glaring examples, are raised here.

You can say what you want. And you can be taken to task over it if people don't agree. That's the part you and others who argue from your position tend to dislike though.

 

[Pickman's model]

I reserve my right to be my fully human... contradiction and all. So I'm pompous in your eyes. That's your business, not mine.

have a gold star for evasion

 

[MochaSoul]

So it's fine for people to accuse me of being an abuser and no one cares? Jeez, this place!!!

That might be because no one accused you of being an abuser.

 

[MochaSoul]

have a gold star for evasion

 

[Vintage Paw]

It's interesting how similar anti-trans and alt-right people sound sometimes.

 

[bimble]

So it's fine for people to accuse me of being an abuser and no one cares? Jeez, this place!!!

You accused me the other day of "complete and utter contempt for all trans people". That's not remotely true, and i think you know it, but no one cares. Its not this place its the wider context in which this conversation is trying to happen.

 

[Vintage Paw]

I saw an anti-trans feminist using Guido Fawkes positively as a reference earlier because it was useful to their argument. They're an inch away from writing an article for Breitbart, I swear.

 

[bimble]

I saw an anti-trans feminist using Guido Fawkes positively as a reference earlier because it was useful to their argument. They're an inch away from writing an article for Breitbart, I swear.

Yes, this is really shit. I notice the same, my enemy's enemy etc.

 

[Athos]

So it's fine for people to accuse me of being an abuser and no one cares? Jeez, this place!!!

First, they didn't accuse you of being an abuser. And, secondly, you're regularly abusive to other posters here!

 

[Vintage Paw]

Yes, this is really shit. I notice the same, my enemy's enemy etc.

That they see trans people as their enemies in the first place is the biggest concern.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

This thread is a mod nightmare. It generates a load of reports, justified or not, and seems likely to do so indefinitely.

One more report and it gets closed, and any similar thread will be summarily closed. Yes, that means that anyone who wants to close it can just report a post on it. If anyone wants to avoid that, try avoiding personal attacks, gaslighting, posting bollocks, all the usual things which wind other people up.

 

[bimble]

That they see trans people as their enemies in the first place is the biggest concern.

I don't see trans people as my enemy. I do have massive issues with the ideology of Gender Identity as innate.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

HEY HEY HEY

 

[Vintage Paw]

I don't see trans people as my enemy. I do have massive issues with the idea of gender identity, the whole edifice of it and its imposition on everybody, trans and not trans.

I suggest you take that up with the head of Gender Identity (office hours subject to change) rather than laying it solely at the feet of trans people.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

This thread is a mod nightmare. It generates a load of reports, justified or not, and seems likely to do so indefinitely.

One more report and it gets closed, and any similar thread will be summarily closed. Yes, that means that anyone who wants to close it can just report a post on it. If anyone wants to avoid that, try avoiding personal attacks, gaslighting, posting bollocks, all the usual things which wind other people up.

Gaslighting actually a domestic abuse thing. Actually making someone doubt their own sanity as opposed to bullshitting on a forum. Not a great term to just chuck around.

 

[bimble]

it looks like this conversation is going to be shut down in a moment anyway, which kind of makes sense, symptom of the wider context.
(I've not reported a post on this website ever i don't think, apart from that nonce weirdo with the coats and children's plimsolls)

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Gaslighting actually a domestic abuse thing. Actually making someone doubt their own sanity as opposed to bullshitting on a forum. Not a great term to just chuck around.

Maybe a term that's been used on reports rather than one I decided to come up with ta.

 

[bimble]

I suggest you take that up with the head of Gender Identity (office hours subject to change) rather than laying it solely at the feet of trans people.

What do you suggest then, seriously, not talking about it at all?
I'm not addressing my posts here only to trans people am i.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Maybe a term that's been used on reports rather than one I decided to come up with ta.

Cool, it was bugging me since the first time someone brought it up. If that is going on reports, it's a bit worrying.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

It would be annoying if it was to be shut down as most of it was interesting.

 

[MochaSoul]

I saw an anti-trans feminist using Guido Fawkes positively as a reference earlier because it was useful to their argument. They're an inch away from writing an article for Breitbart, I swear.

They are also speaking to The Times and even Rod Liddle FFS. It's what happens when all other avenues close to them (not that all feminists are left wing - when they talk of porn and prostitution as "sex work" I start having doubts, but that's me) and people are suspended from political parties or attempts to get them sacked from their jobs for saying "Women don't have dicks" as per this:


This is solely about being able to debate and giving everyone the right to argue against others.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

it looks like this conversation is going to be shut down in a moment anyway, which kind of makes sense, symptom of the wider context.
(I've not reported a post on this website ever i don't think, apart from that nonce weirdo with the coats and children's plimsolls)

me neither.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

I saw an anti-trans feminist using Guido Fawkes positively as a reference earlier because it was useful to their argument. They're an inch away from writing an article for Breitbart, I swear.

Would writing for Breitbart be any worse than comparing trans people to the Paedophile Information Exchange while talking to Rod Liddle for a Spectator piece?

 

[bimble]

One more reported post and the thread gets shut down seems symptomatic of what is going on, with disagreement being framed as personal attacks.
I get that there are only a few mods doing this here out of the goodness of their hearts and don't blame them for being sick of it but seriously, how many posts on this thread have actually warranted reporting to the teachers?

 

[smokedout]

This thread is a mod nightmare. It generates a load of reports, justified or not, and seems likely to do so indefinitely.

One more report and it gets closed, and any similar thread will be summarily closed.

I appreciate the difficulties but surely you're not suggesting that any discussion on trans rights or trans activists could be banned from these boards just because someone makes a complaint about this thread?

 

[Vintage Paw]

I suggest you take that up with the head of Gender Identity (office hours subject to change) rather than laying it solely at the feet of trans people.

What do you suggest then, seriously, not talking about it at all? I'm not addressing my posts here only to trans people am i.

See, your reply doesn't follow in good faith from mine. While my post was made with a lighthearted tone to it, the message ultimately was that an awful lot of widespread uneasiness with gender as a concept at all is laid solely at the feet of trans people, who are being expected to do all the heavy lifting, all the personal sacrifice, and a lot of the shutting up. You're not only talking to trans people, but it's all about trans identities. And the wider discussion, beyond just you bimble, is framed by how trans people are simultaneously and solely responsible for ruining the idea of what a woman is and reinforcing the idea of what a woman is. It's all on trans people. They're the bad people. It's all their fault.

Your reply was "oh, so I'm not allowed to talk about it at all, am I? You might as well be a daily mail reader saying "we're not even allowed to talk about immigration anymore" when all the daily mail talks about is immigration.

My post wasn't intended to suggest you shouldn't talk about this, but rather perhaps reconsider approaching your problems with gender from a position that doesn't suppose it to be the fault of only one group of people who happen to feel they have a gender.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

They are also speaking to The Times and even Rod Liddle FFS. It's what happens when all other avenues close to them (not that all feminists are left wing - when they talk of porn and prostitution as "sex work" I start having doubts, but that's me) and people are suspended from political parties or attempts to get them sacked from their jobs for saying "Women don't have dicks" as per this:


This is solely about being able to debate and giving everyone the right to argue against others.

Nah, it's like all those people saying we should ban the illiterate frm democracy. You would never come to that position if you were left. Anyway screw the left, mon the working class.

 

[Vintage Paw]

They are also speaking to The Times and even Rod Liddle FFS. It's what happens when all other avenues close to them (not that all feminists are left wing - when they talk of porn and prostitution as "sex work" I start having doubts, but that's me) and people are suspended from political parties or attempts to get them sacked from their jobs for saying "Women don't have dicks" as per this:


This is solely about being able to debate and giving everyone the right to argue against others.

Doesn't matter who didn't want to publish me, I wouldn't turn to the right because I'm not an arsehole. Who people choose as their friends is often quite telling.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I appreciate the difficulties but surely you're not suggesting that any discussion on trans rights or trans activists could be banned from these boards just because someone makes a complaint about this thread?

I don't think this thread is in any way a valid discussion of trans rights or trans activists. I think it's bullshit, I've always thought that from the moment it started, just look at the title, and the last million pages have confirmed that. So no, not necessarily, but if it gets closed and someone tries to start basically the same thread again I'll close that one too.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I don't think this thread is in any way a valid discussion of trans rights or trans activists. I think it's bullshit, I've always thought that from the moment it started, just look at the title, and the last million pages have confirmed that. So no, not necessarily, but if it gets closed and someone tries to start basically the same thread again I'll close that one too.

That's unfair, there have been some fantastic posts on this thread.