Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

[Thimble Queen]

Do you ever listen to yourself?

Do you?

 

[pengaleng]

too little too late init

 

[bimble]

a change of sex as a resolution to their own interests not matching cultural expectations of biological sex

This. How is this idea (change your body to match your 'gender identity') helping to break down the whole oppressive regime of gender?
Nobody will answer this question.

 

[Thimble Queen]

As a tranny who, like many other trannies, has used the word 'tranny' for considerable periods of time, you are not ever going to stop me using the word 'tranny'. And 'tranny' when used by trannies in this way, is not abusive.

Tranny.
Tranny.
Tranny.

Isn't that classic idpol? You are allowed to say it because of your identity. Ok.

 

[pengaleng]

I'm allowed to call meself a cripple

 

[pengaleng]

This. How is this idea (change your body to match your 'gender identity') helping to break down the whole oppressive regime of gender?

i find it oppressive sometimes tbh elements of it

 

[bimble]

i find it oppressive sometimes tbh

Which bit, the idea that you have to change your body to better fit your gender id?

 

[krtek a houby]

It's not. HTH.

Because you say so? Not really.

And my previous question (regarding your comment about the Speakers Corner clip); what should women look like?

 

[pengaleng]

Which bit, the idea that you have to change your body to better fit your gender id?

well no one HAS to but theres several elements that leave bitter tastes, I'm off this thread tho, I got half the idiots here on ignore cus they are so thick, the whole things a joke.

 

[bimble]

And my previous question (regarding your comment about the Speakers Corner clip); what should women look like?

Well they should at least make an effort, bit of lippie etc.
(bitter joke).

 

[elbows]

Thanks Miranda for providing a backlash explanation. One that is at least consistent with your position, and the themes already well-discussed in this thread.

It appears the alternative theoretical criticism of me which I came up with later that night is indeed a much better fit for that kind of backlash - that my views at this time might help enable that backlash, rather than me abandoning people once the backlash is in full swing.

I must say that trying to prevent a backlash by becoming part of the first wave of it is a curious strategy, good luck.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

However, when you start being told that you are no longer allowed to join the very institutions that were set up to protect you because you don’t think the “right way” about gender, that is the kind of stimulus that backlashes are made of.

Quite.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

This. How is this idea (change your body to match your 'gender identity') helping to break down the whole oppressive regime of gender?
Nobody will answer this question.

Well, it's not; it is, if anything, taking us far far far back in time.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

Because you say so? Not really.

And my previous question (regarding your comment about the Speakers Corner clip); what should women look like?

My point wasn't about what any woman looks like, my point was (and is) that 'Ponytail' is a bloke.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

I must say that trying to prevent a backlash by becoming part of the first wave of it is a curious strategy, good luck.

What are you talking about?

 

[Miranda Yardley]

Isn't that classic idpol? You are allowed to say it because of your identity. Ok.

No, not really. It's because I have used that word (and 'transsexual') for decades and I'm not allowing someone else's politics to be imposed on my language.

I'd hope anyone who claimed to be a 'trans ally' would understand this.

 

[krtek a houby]

My point wasn't about what any woman looks like, my point was (and is) that 'Ponytail' is a bloke.

In fairness, I wasn't there and the video quality isn't the best. If you say they're a male, I'll take your word for it.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Soldiers on your side of the war. This is not idpol? I am so confused.

Which is my side of the war ?

 

[bimble]

The word cissexism was new to me yesterday.
So I've had a google. I think its a more extreme version of 'transphobia', it expresses the idea that any distinctions at all drawn between biological members of a sex and people who identify as that gender are now to be verboten.
I also don't like the appropriation of the word sexism.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

In fairness, I wasn't there and the video quality isn't the best. If you say they're a male, I'll take your word for it.

Well, I was there: like I said here, he snatched my phone. When I had got it off him, he squared up to me, right in my face, seething with hate. It was pretty scary. But yeah, Ponytail is a man.

 

[bimble]

In fairness, I wasn't there and the video quality isn't the best. If you say they're a male, I'll take your word for it.

krek this is not the thread for you then.

 

[Miranda Yardley]

The word cissexism was new to me yesterday.
So I've had a google. I think its a more extreme version of 'transphobia', it expresses the idea that any distinctions at all drawn between biological members of a sex and people who identify as that gender are now to be verboten.
I also don't like the appropriation of the word sexism.

Transgenderists will appropriate anything that's not nailed to the floor:

• misogyny
• homophobia
• 'woman'
• 'female'
• women's political positions
• women's places on shortlists
• etc

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

well no one HAS to but theres several elements that leave bitter tastes, I'm off this thread tho, I got half the idiots here on ignore cus they are so thick, the whole things a joke.

If we put the whole "other side" of "the war" on ignore we can make this thread of the year yet!


I thought it was a class war, I am on everyone's side

 

[pengaleng]

Soldiers on your side of the war. This is not idpol? I am so confused.

Which is my side of the war ?

ffs you aint supposed to mention the war

 

[Athos]

If you say they're a male, I'll take your word for it.

 

[elbows]

ffs you aint supposed to mention the war

Have we had any dodgy terf warfare puns yet?

 

[bimble]

well no one HAS to but theres several elements that leave bitter tastes, I'm off this thread tho, I got half the idiots here on ignore cus they are so thick, the whole things a joke.

Ye but you like bad really uncomfortable jokes so, stay.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not allowing someone else's politics to be imposed on my language.

 

[Pickman's model]

well no one HAS to but theres several elements that leave bitter tastes, I'm off this thread tho, I got half the idiots here on ignore cus they are so thick, the whole things a joke.

aw stay

 

[bimble]

smokedout ? Nigel Irritable ? Anybody?
How is people changing their bodies to better suit their 'gender identity' helping to destroy the whole oppressive system of binary gender roles?
Also how do attempts to marshal science (female brains etc) to explain trans-ness help to do this?