Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

[MochaSoul]

‘The cis’

The Sith

 

[pengaleng]

did you see your GP??

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Why is Penagleng being trolled with mad Tumblr shit. We'll need to drag out some of the feminist stuff that gives me the dry heaves all like EXPLAIN THIS, WOMEN

 

[Wilf]

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Munroe Bergdorf, a trans woman, drumming up support for the Women's March London.
We have to not mention vaginas or uteruses at a women's protest march so as not to exclude people who were born with a male body who want to come too but inexplicably cannot cope with female biology being all in their faces now.

It's all a bit shit when an 'intersectional mindset' is proposed as something you have to have rather than something you should be embarrassed to find lurking in some hidden corner of your politics.

 

[bimble]

gender is as varied as consciousness

like seriously one of two things will happen in the future, science will either prove being trans is a natural condition of humanity or it'll prove it's not..

It’s going to be tough for science to get involved at all if there’s this infinite variety of genders.

 

[MochaSoul]

You seem intent on reframing everything I say as being an attack on trans people. I find this utterly bizarre.

The acronym originally stood for “trans-exclusionary radical feminist”, although those protesting last week dramatically offered “exterminationist” as a variation for the “E” in the leaflets they distributed outside the hotel.

Women must not be silenced in the debate on gender identity | The National

No one wants to be labelled a bigot

I see no difference between being labelled a bigot or cis. Both are lies.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Let's not forget the reproductive rights issue (re bodily autonomy, health care, abortion, etc) still affects some trans men.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Let's not forget the reproductive rights issue (re bodily autonomy, health care, abortion, etc) still affects some trans men.

And some intersexuals who have been curiously overlooked in the biology side of things.


On that subject, distress regarding being assigned the wrong sex at birth(in this case, quite literally) isn't just a trans issue. Intersex people often strongly identify with one gender or sometimes neither and many undergo transitions later in life.


The Intersex Roadshow: Intersex Fertility

 

[Sunset Tree]

Let's not forget the reproductive rights issue (re bodily autonomy, health care, abortion, etc) still affects some trans men.

Doesn't seem massively relevant to the points feminists are making about trans women.

 

[Vintage Paw]

Doesn't seem massively relevant to the points feminists are making about trans women.

It was said above that reproductive rights don't intersect with trans issues. That isn't true.

 

[Sunset Tree]

It was said above that reproductive rights don't intersect with trans issues. That isn't true.

Perhaps more accurate to say reproductive rights don't intersect with trans women's issues

 

[Treacle Toes]

It's all a bit shit when an 'intersectional mindset' is proposed as something you have to have rather than something you should be embarrassed to find lurking in some hidden corner of your politics.

Wilf An awareness of how sometimes aspects of identity and experience/issues may intersect in terms of institutional, personal and societal (political) engagement isn't inherently a bad thing is it?

 

[Pickman's model]

Women must not be silenced in the debate on gender identity | The National




I see no difference between being labelled a bigot or cis. Both are lies.

Three terfs recently

 

[Pickman's model]

It’s going to be tough for science to get involved at all if there’s this infinite variety of genders.

Not really. Once there's evidence of a sufficiency of genders I suppose scientists would just say there's fuck loads of genders and leave it at that.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Three terfs recently

That's the first belly laugh I have had all day

 

[trashpony]

Child rape
Forced marriage
Breast cutting
Corrective rape
Forced abortion
Cliterodectomy
Rape
Menstruation
Polycystic ovary syndrome
Pregnancy
Ectopic pregnancy
Pre-eclampsia
Hyperemis gravidum
Gestational diabetes
Menopause
Osteoporosis

Hahahahaha. So many japes in women's biology.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

The profoundly hostile TERF response to the rise in people declaring themselves to be non binary, agender or one of dozens of new genders is probably the clearest demonstration of how little interest they have in their alleged goal of “gender abolition”. Their politics are about preserving the status quo, and in particular freezing certain subcultures and “women’s spaces” in aspic. There’s absolutely no rational argument that can be made that such people are reinforcing gender stereotypes or gender roles, not even the kind of entirely disingenuous argument that TERFs who favour medical gatekeeping (and therefore the pressure towards stereotyped presentation that entails) make about trans women and trans men. There’s a movement of young people engaging in a DIY revolt against gender as a system and the people who most loudly claim to be gender abolitionists absolutely hate it, because it’s disruptive of the peace they themselves have made with gender. They are the equivalent of the Maoist sects which declared the students a terrible danger to working class politics during May 68.

 

[8ball]

I had to look up aetiology, and after doing so I'm not sure I agree. If I hurt my back by falling, or if I have a stomach ache after eating raw acorns, the doctor will want to know how I think my pain started.

Relevant story and symptoms, yes. Your treatment recommendations based on a Google search less so.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Child rape
Forced marriage
Breast cutting
Corrective rape
Forced abortion
Cliterodectomy
Rape
Menstruation
Polycystic ovary syndrome
Pregnancy
Ectopic pregnancy
Pre-eclampsia
Hyperemis gravidum
Gestational diabetes
Menopause
Osteoporosis

Hahahahaha. So many japes in women's biology.

Yes, that’s right, people amused by your bizarre politics are really laughing at child rape, you crank.

 

[trashpony]

Yes, that’s right, people amused by your bizarre politics are really laughing at child rape, you crank.

Why *is* is that heterosexual men are so invested in this argument? It's mystifying. Would you fuck a transwoman Nigel? I bet you wouldn't.

 

[bimble]

They are the equivalent of the Maoist sects which declared the students a terrible danger to working class politics during May 68.

The TERFs are the feminist equivalent of the kind of Maoist sect who responded to the first stirrings of May 68 by denouncing the students as a danger to the worker's movement.

You do keep saying this.
You think that individual young people choosing to identify their inner Gender Identity as some named kind of subsect of an infinite variety of newly-coined Gender Identities is the same thing as "a DIY revolt against gender as a system". Its not. It leaves the system perfectly in tact, or rather entrenches it, the definition of Gender Identity 'woman' becomes someone who wears lipstick and heels ffs.

And all those un-fun things trashpony just listed, you can't "identify" out of them.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Relevant story and symptoms, yes. Your treatment recommendations based on a Google search less so.

However today we recognise that patients often have a more thorough knowledge of their own condition than those of us who are not specialists, including GP's and try to move away from a more paternalistic approach. All dependent on the situation, there's a lot within the NHS that could sometimes do with a bit more levelling- e.g. Listening to people who spend more time with a patient but are lower in the hierarchy nurses carers etc but that's a whole nuther thread.

 

[mojo pixy]

Relevant story and symptoms, yes. Your treatment recommendations based on a Google search less so.

Who is to judge? Relevant story and symptoms is really all that matters, unless the person diagnosing has contradictory information they know to be true.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Child rape
Forced marriage
Breast cutting
Corrective rape
Forced abortion
Cliterodectomy
Rape
Menstruation
Polycystic ovary syndrome
Pregnancy
Ectopic pregnancy
Pre-eclampsia
Hyperemis gravidum
Gestational diabetes
Menopause
Osteoporosis

Hahahahaha. So many japes in women's biology.

Killjoy!

 

[pengaleng]

this shit just got juicy as fuck

am awaiting nigels response

 

[8ball]

Who is to judge? Relevant story and symptoms is really all that matters, unless the person diagnosing has contradictory information they know to be true.

Fair point. In the middle of some stuff right now and will come back to this in a bit and try to do your point a bit more justice...

Edit: and Horatio’s too

 

[Sue]

Ah Nigel Irritable, so you know how you called me a transphobe and a liar and have since ignored my requests that you back this up? Since you're here, now would be seem an ideal time.

 

[weepiper]

Child rape
Forced marriage
Breast cutting
Corrective rape
Forced abortion
Cliterodectomy
Rape
Menstruation
Polycystic ovary syndrome
Pregnancy
Ectopic pregnancy
Pre-eclampsia
Hyperemis gravidum
Gestational diabetes
Menopause
Osteoporosis

Hahahahaha. So many japes in women's biology.

Hormonal birth control and the side effects thereof
Endometriosis
C-sections
Vaginal mesh implants going wrong
Perineal tears causing double incontinence
Lol.

 

[smokedout]

Why *is* is that heterosexual men are so invested in this argument? It's mystifying. Would you fuck a transwoman Nigel? I bet you wouldn't.

Because this is the litmus test. You might support trans rights but would you actually have sex with one of the freaks? Of course not, who would?

Hard to imagine a more dehumanising post.

 

[pengaleng]

that was low init