Transgender is it just me that is totally perplexed?

[HoratioCuthbert]

Hormonal birth control and the side effects thereof
Endometriosis
C-sections
Vaginal mesh implants going wrong
Perineal tears causing double incontinence
Lol.

Did you stumble upon the Great Urban Sexist Jokes 2010 thread as I did by mistake at 3am this morning?

that was low init

It errr, taking a rather nasty turn indeed.

 

[Pickman's model]

that was low init

Below the belt you might say

 

[8ball]

Why *is* is that heterosexual men are so invested in this argument? It's mystifying. Would you fuck a transwoman Nigel? I bet you wouldn't.

Isn’t this worryingly reminiscent of those cases where natal lesbians are criticised for not wanting sex with trans women?

Also, het men have been criticised for “dumping” the issue of trans women onto (natal woman) feminists, so you could forgive het men for not knowing whether to butt out or not.

Edit: no agreement with Nige’s policy of calling lots of people bigots should be inferred

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I am not usually into this but how do you tag a mod, that latest from Trashpony was way too far.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Child rape
Forced marriage
Breast cutting
Corrective rape
Forced abortion
Cliterodectomy
Rape
Menstruation
Polycystic ovary syndrome
Pregnancy
Ectopic pregnancy
Pre-eclampsia
Hyperemis gravidum
Gestational diabetes
Menopause
Osteoporosis

Hahahahaha. So many japes in women's biology.

Who is laughing about this trashpony? Where is it happening?

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Ah forget it I don't want to police neither.

 

[Pickman's model]

I am not usually into this but how do you tag a mod, that latest from Trashpony was way too far.

A country mile too far

 

[trashpony]

Hormonal birth control and the side effects thereof
Endometriosis
C-sections
Vaginal mesh implants going wrong
Perineal tears causing double incontinence
Lol.

Ooh yes, forgot about those.

Another one - the abdominal mesh my friend has to contain all her organs after 3 massive babies destroyed her stomach muscles

Because this is the litmus test. You might support trans rights but would you actually have sex with one of the freaks? Of course not, who would?

Hard to imagine a more dehumanising post.

Let's not deflect here. As a heterosexual man, would you have sex with a transwoman? Given they're identical to woman in every single way? That's your argument, isn't is? That we're all the same.

 

[pengaleng]

it's not only the gays who get all the decent men now

 

[pengaleng]

give it a rest on listing biological shit as well yer giving me hives

 

[smokedout]

Let's not deflect here. As a heterosexual man, would you have sex with a transwoman? Given they're identical to woman in every single way? That's your argument, isn't is? That we're all the same.

Sorry I'm not joining in sexualised bullying like this. I suppose trans woman are just supposed to accept this kind of abuse, anything else and they'll probably be accused of demanding sex.

 

[trashpony]

Isn’t this worryingly reminiscent of those cases where natal lesbians are criticised for not wanting sex with trans women?

Also, het men have been criticised for “dumping” the issue of trans women onto (natal woman) feminists, so you could forgive het men for not knowing whether to butt out or not.

Edit: no agreement with Nige’s policy of calling lots of people bigots should be inferred

I've read posts on twitter from lesbians feeling awful for not wanting to have sex with transwomen. That is fucked up. They're being made to feel awful and transphobic for having sexual preferences. Cotton ceiling.

No one should feel they should have sex with anyone.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

give it a rest on listing biological shit as well yer giving me hives

Rancid cocks! Sorry.

 

[Pickman's model]

Let's not deflect here. As a heterosexual man, would you have sex with a transwoman? Given they're identical to woman in every single way? That's your argument, isn't is? That we're all the same.

I can't see this ending well

 

[Treacle Toes]

Why *is* is that heterosexual men are so invested in this argument? It's mystifying. Would you fuck a transwoman Nigel? I bet you wouldn't.

That is fucking low. I am not at all with Nigel on his insistence that any questions asked are terfy or bigoted btw.

Furthermore there is at least one transwoman and one transman on this thread that are disagreeing with this approach/you/these fears and insistence that the extreme of these arguments are the norm... There are also cis/natal women who are not in agreement with that.

Why would you post such a question? All he has to post is 'yes I would'... and you look silly, cos you can't prove otherwise.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

You do keep saying this.
You think that individual young people choosing to identify their individual inner selves as some named kind of subsect of an infinite variety of newly-coined Gender Identities is the same thing as "a DIY revolt against gender as a system". Its not. It leaves the system perfectly in tact, or entrenches it, the definition of Gender Identity 'woman' becomes someone who wears lipstick and heels ffs.

It has a drastically corrosive effect on the naturalisation of gender norms and assumptions, and it is the deeply entrenched naturalisation of gender, the idea that it just is, in a way that’s beyond question, that gives gender much of its ideological power. That’s why the larger and less confused group of transphobes - social conservatives - is so completely horrified by it. It’s the largest outbreak of gender non conformism in nearly half a century at least and you fucking idiots - unlike your conservative allies - can’t even see it because it isn’t following the schema 80s radfems imagined it would. Instead you end up at shouting at a subset of young people who are increasingly radical about gender, lgbt issues, race etc to get back in their boxes.

https://www.dailydot.com/irl/gender-non-conforming-study/

27% of California teenagers are regarded as gender nonconforming. That’s a social movement that’s doing more to undermine conventional ideas about gender than a thousand more years of irrelevant post 80s radfem subcultures will ever manage. And it stems in its entirety from trans politics. When reality doesn’t match your ideological framework, it’s time to alter the assumptions in your framework, not to curse reality for failing to measure up.

 

[trashpony]

Sorry I'm not joining in sexualised bullying like this. I suppose trans woman are just supposed to accept this kind of abuse, anything else and they'll probably be accused of demanding sex.

Guess that's a no then. So, transwomen are women until it comes to men wanting to have sex when actually they aren't women.

Glad we've cleared that up

 

[pengaleng]

god this is tragic as fuck

 

[bimble]

It has a drastically corrosive effect on the naturalisation of gender norms and assumptions, and it is the deeply entrenched naturalisation of gender, the idea that it just is, in a way that’s beyond question, that gives gender much of its ideological power.

But that is what's coming back you wally, the idea that Gender Is Innate. And unquestionable, and inside of us.

 

[Pickman's model]

Guess that's a no then. So, transwomen are women until it comes to men wanting to have sex when actually they aren't women.

Glad we've cleared that up

Yeh. Have you been taking arguing lessons from bimble? As if smokedout's post is proof of no man wanting to fuck a trans woman... Didn't realise your dishonesty before, trashpony, very disappointed

 

[Pickman's model]

god this is tragic as fuck

#threadoftheyear

 

[smokedout]

Guess that's a no then. So, transwomen are women until it comes to men wanting to have sex when actually they aren't women.

Glad we've cleared that up

You'd really do well to stop making assumptions. Interrogating someone about their sex life to try and prove how disgusting trans women are is about as vile as it can get.

 

[trashpony]

That is fucking low. There is at least one transwomen and one transman on this thread that are disagreeing with this approach/you/these fears and insistence that the extreme of these arguments are the norm... There are also cis/catal women who are not in agreement with that. Why would you post such a question? All he has to post is 'yes I would'... and you look silly, cos you can't prove otherwise.

He won't because he wouldn't. And I'm posting it because this is so much gaslighting.

Transwomen aren't women; transmen aren't men. If they were, we wouldn't have 7000 posts on this thread. There wouldn't be any discussion. If I get banned for stating a biological fact then I'll send you all foil hats.

 

[pengaleng]

also - I really dont understand people who say I'd never sleep with xyz because it's just showing prejudice because you dont know future you and to state it so clearly makes me think wtf is wrong

like I aint into women at all but to say I'd never ever sleep with one is pushing it a bit

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

He won't because he wouldn't. And I'm posting it because this is so much gaslighting.

Transwomen aren't women; transmen aren't men. If they were, we wouldn't have 7000 posts on this thread. There wouldn't be any discussion. If I get banned for stating a biological fact then I'll send you all foil hats.

I don't think you know what gaslighting means.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Ah Nigel Irritable, so you know how you called me a transphobe and a liar and have since ignored my requests that you back this up? Since you're here, now would be seem an ideal time.

In the post where I said you were lying, I outlined exactly what you were lying about. Read it again. You were lying.

As for whether you are transphobic, it’s easy enough to test that: do you believe that trans people should be able to live as their preferred gender, socially and legally? If you do, and you oppose medical gatekeeping and regard those who deliberately misgender and seek to exclude trans people as bigots, then I’m certainly willing to accept that you arent yourself transphobic. Perhaps you could clarify.

 

[Pickman's model]

He won't because he wouldn't. And I'm posting it because this is so much gaslighting.

Transwomen aren't women; transmen aren't men. If they were, we wouldn't have 7000 posts on this thread. There wouldn't be any discussion. If I get banned for stating a biological fact then I'll send you all foil hats.

Come now, why would editor ban you for that when there're other better reasons for such an action?

 

[Pickman's model]

He won't because he wouldn't. And I'm posting it because this is so much gaslighting.

Transwomen aren't women; transmen aren't men. If they were, we wouldn't have 7000 posts on this thread. There wouldn't be any discussion. If I get banned for stating a biological fact then I'll send you all foil hats.

How do you define gaslighting?

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

also - I really dont understand people who say I'd never sleep with xyz because it's just showing prejudice because you dont know future you and to state it so clearly makes me think wtf is wrong

like I aint into women at all but to say I'd never ever sleep with one is pushing it a bit

Exactly. I haven't met a transgender person I was attracted to yet, as I haven't met many. It's a bridge you can only cross when you come to it.

 

[pengaleng]

omfg my roast is ready soon and this just got the sickest it's ever been