Tory MP David Amess Stabbed to Death 15/10/21

[brogdale]

if the reporting this morning is accurate, and I stress the if, then some of the attempts on here to contextualise the motives and political processes motivating the killer: closed off routes of protest, cuts etc look embarrassingly wide of the mark.

Surely that's the nature of speculation?

 

[brogdale]

Apparently has lived in the constituency since the 90s, and according to the Guardian may have been referred under the Prevent program

wait for the "was already known to authorities" line, then.

 

[tim]

They’re really stinking this place up recently.
They thrive on discord.
It’s almost enough to just ditch this place.

This place thrives on discord.

 

[Pickman's model]

Had a quick peek at this thread and it looks like a total carcrash so tbh dont see why out of everything posted I should be "losing" anything.

When did I say it was random or not premeditated etc?

if you want to say 'mentally ill people are violent killers' then by all means carry on. after all it's not my job to stop you looking like a wanker.

 

[Pickman's model]

This place thrives on discord.

it is the urban way

 

[Orang Utan]

aye not having a go at Ed,

more so that it should be dropped by the participents for a bit

There is a certain rancorous thread that was specifically set up to cause disharmony amongst posters that needs to be nuked though.

 

[Pickman's model]

What 'positives' are we expecting from the #ToryScum?

i await the arrival of a tory jim jones

 

[Pickman's model]

There is a certain rancorous thread that was specifically set up to cause disharmony amongst posters that needs to be nuked though.

yeh but the trans thread's there for the foreseeable sadly

 

[Ax^]

maybe more than one

 

[Magnus McGinty]

There is a certain rancorous thread that was specifically set up to cause disharmony amongst posters that needs to be nuked though.

Have you considered putting it on ignore?

 

[Pickman's model]

Had a quick peek at this thread and it looks like a total carcrash so tbh dont see why out of everything posted I should be "losing" anything.

When did I say it was random or not premeditated etc?

Pretty awful, I don't think he "asked for it" at all.

Stabbed to death randomly by some likely mentally unwell idiot. Or perhaps Islamist nutcase. No I am not shedding any tears, but whatever you think of people's politics this is a shit thing to happen and won't lead to anything positive.

here's a tip: it helps if you read your posts so you know what you've said

 

[Yossarian]

Surely that's the nature of speculation?

Yeah, if I wanted to read "It must have been a Muslim extremist" - which was always a strong possibility - I would have gone to the Daily Mail comments section, it's a credit to this place that people didn't jump to conclusions and considered all the other reasons somebody might have for killing a Tory MP.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Surely that's the nature of speculation?

Of course, that’s why it’s best avoided

 

[agricola]

It has been reported that after the crime, the suspect remained at the scene until the Police arrived to arrest him. ( if true )This isnt the usual scenario with such occasions.

TBF it sort of is - of the recent UK Islamist attacks all of them have had the suspect staying at or near the scene until Police confront them. The unusual thing is that he didn't (according to media reports anyway) have a go at the cops when they turned up.

 

[xenon]

The handwringing is going to be unbarable isn't it. The public get a lecture on civility. The be nice to MPs, what's happened to respectful disagreement, our rotten politics... From all the people that make it so.

 

[Ax^]

hug a tory and thank them for making some parts of the population lives a fucking misery



*vomits at little in his mouth

 

[Pickman's model]

hug a tory and thank them for making our lives a fucking misery



*vomits at little in his mouth

 

[Serene]

TBF it sort of is - of the recent UK Islamist attacks all of them have had the suspect staying at or near the scene until Police confront them. The unusual thing is that he didn't (according to media reports anyway) have a go at the cops when they turned up.

I was meaning that ( if true ) he handed himself in peacefully. The reports say he remained calm. I was comparing this part of the scenario with European attacks. I am not au fait with UK ones, as there havent been so many. I can remember the London Bridge one where the suspect fought with passerby as they tried to capture him. I cant remember any attack that ended with the suspect remaining calm and waiting to hand himself in. Is handing himself in calmly a rare end scenario? Id say so. Most endings are different. I can remember another where the police shot the suspect dead, cant remember which attack it was.

 

[tim]

I mean, wow. How does someone get away with that? It’s disgusting.

Don't knock Talbot Rothwell, he got a prestigious award for that line.

 

[xenon]

if the reporting this morning is accurate, and I stress the if, then some of the attempts on here to contextualise the motives and political processes motivating the killer: closed off routes of protest, cuts etc look embarrassingly wide of the mark.

Of course. But it's urban. Being Wide of the mark sage predictions and out of touch prognostications are part of the charm.

 

[Pickman's model]

I was meaning that ( if true ) he handed himself in peacefully. The reports say he remained calm. I was comparing this part of the scenario with European attacks. I am not au fait with UK ones, as there havent been so many. I can remember the London Bridge one where the suspect fought with passerby as they tried to capture him. I cant remember any attack that ended with the suspect remaining calm and waiting to hand himself in. Is handing himself in calmly a rare end scenario? Id say so. Most endings are different. I can remember another where the police shot the suspect dead, cant remember which attack it was.

tbh i wouldn't be surprised if the presence of a koran makes the cops go 'oho it's another terrorist' whereas if i was looking about i'd want to see eg a copy of qutb's milestones on the shelf or some similar digital bit.

 

[Pickman's model]

Of course. But it's urban. Being Wide of the mark sage predictions and out of touch prognostications are part of the charm.

you mean the fact-free speculation which is so central to our activity

 

[Pickman's model]

And I couldn’t blame him tbh

Si, give it the fuck up.

he wouldn't be cunty si if he did

 

[Serene]

tbh i wouldn't be surprised if the presence of a koran makes the cops go 'oho it's another terrorist' whereas if i was looking about i'd want to see eg a copy of qutb's milestones on the shelf or some similar digital bit.

Indeed, one cannot even deduce that it was an islamic attack from such observance of facts ( if the media stories are true ). The suspects motives are not clear. There isnt any indication of motive from it. It hasnt been reported that he shouted out a slogan as they quite often do appararently on such occasions. And so we have to wait to see how it all unfurls. They will get more information hopefully while questioning the suspect.

 

[Orang Utan]

Have you considered putting it on ignore?

Yes I have. And I have done before. But it’s still there and continues to be a binfire

 

[Athos]

You've mentioned this so many times it feels like you're offering me out. It's also not quite what happened. I told someone (neither of you) if they wanted a fight they'd have to drive to my house. Which, while it was a very silly thing to say, ended the argument.

Just for the record, and without wanting to pick up where we left off, it wasn't you offering me out that ended the argument; that happened when I decided to back off after you revealed the fragility of your mental health.

 

[bimble]

I want to know if they had met before, still hoping there's a case file somewhere about how the mp failed to help with his neighbour's overgrown leilandii or whatever. Stabbing someone 17 times (reportedly) after waiting patiently for your turn in the queue does seem unusual.

 

[SpookyFrank]

The handwringing is going to be unbarable isn't it. The public get a lecture on civility. The be nice to MPs, what's happened to respectful disagreement, our rotten politics... From all the people that make it so.

Yes we must be respectful when disagreeing with Priti Patel's plan to let border patrol goons drown people with impunity. We should take a dispassionate, reasoned approach to the idea of dismantling the same NHS that just saved the whole country from oblivion. We shouldn't get upset if our polite requests for some policies which might just keep the planet habitable for another 100 years are politely declined.

Just ignore it all as best you can. They fucking love watching decent people boil over with rage at this shit, so don't give them the satisfaction. And stay off twitter and the comment threads at all costs.

 

[planetgeli]

. They will get more information hopefully while questioning the suspect.

Probably banging on about boundary walls and potholes as we speak.

 

[brogdale]

Of course, that’s why it’s best avoided

U75...no speculation...hmm