bimble
floofy
No. But you were all ready to suggest reasons. Would you have done the same if it happened to be a labour mp? I just find it a bit weird, the projection / thought experiment into the mind of some bloke with a knife.
Tory MP David Amess Stabbed to Death 15/10/21
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
This just gets worse and worse like some crappy TV thriller where poor writers make things get super complicated. You were on about someone who just objected to austerity before. Like it was a student debate, a concept to be analysed and dispassionately observed perhaps. The way only someone who'd not had any actual contact with austerity could see things. Let's wait and see what develops. But maybe he'd been a victim of austerity rather than an objective observer of it.
And I think yer man's job as an MP rather sets him apart from other people stabbed, shot, gassed or simply beaten to death - don't you? He wasn't the victim of a postcode gang or some real-life Omar ripping off dealers or domestic violence or mistaken identity or misogyny.
bimble
floofy
yes. i'm going to pop you on ignore for a bit, hope you don't mind, life is short and you are the king of the ignore list already aren't you. I don't think we have any evidence yet to suggest that he was killed because he was an MP, or a tory one.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
To a degree, the same would - and did - apply to a Labour MP, but to a lesser degree.
But, it's not about what "inside" the murderer's mind, it's about what's "outsIde" that I'm interested in.
Anyone who would prefer to live in a world where we don't have politicians being stabbed to death at work might, in my opinion at least, want to be interested in this too.
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Starry Wisdom
I don't mind in the slightest. But I think you'll find that he was killed because he was an MP and a Tory one at that.
Ax^
Silly Rabbit
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Starry Wisdom
Given no one has reported yer man assaulting anyone other than the Tory MP I think it's fair to say he was after the MP.
bimble
floofy
I’m interested in why people stab other people to death too, very much.
But your post (that was liked more than any cute cat or naked urbanite) was about reasons to do with Tory policies & the dead man being a Tory mp. I found that weird that’s all.
strung out
💩 🤣 🍆 💦 🧐 👻 🐝 🐈⬛
Fucking hell, you prat.
Would seem somewhat unusual to run into a church for a random opportunistic killing and the person turning out to be a Tory MP.
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Starry Wisdom
Other people were available
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Don’t buy into his shit ffs.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
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Starry Wisdom
It's wicked to mock the afflicted
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
I'll second that.
Personally, I'd rather give it a day or two until we have more idea what actually motivated this individual incident before I sound off about possible reasons too confidently. But of course we should be willing to think about how the mainstream left party's hopelessly half-arsed, cowardly positioning on Brexit, coming not long after a couple of decades of New Labour had already let down a lot of the people it used to rely on, bred the kind of resentment that might lead to a prominent Remainer in their midst becoming a target. And of course we should be willing to consider how the last 11 years' heartlessness in government has pushed people to desperate states.
Research has shown that perpetrators of hate crimes (leaving aside those with serious mental illness, perhaps) tend to feel that they have licence to act from whoever they see as their community. They often implicitly believe they're carrying out the wishes of a wider circle of people who, unlike them, wouldn't dare, but who do approve. Again, I don't know yet if that's at play here but it doesn't mean I'm dismissing the seriousness of what's happened if I mention it.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
For all this talk of how monstrous people are for celebrating a murder, I see no evidence of anyone here actually doing that. There's an awareness that the right will pick this up and run with it, in ways that will benefit nobody here. There's an awareness that Amess and his fellow travellers are responsible for numerous atrocities of their own, and that they have worked to build a society where the average person is less safe, less healthy, less well cared for and less prosperous. There's links being drawn between those facts and acts of violence, including but not limited to Amess' own murder.
But celebration? We all know there's nothing to celebrate. A minor villain has gone, soon to be replaced with someone functionally identical. Another villain has bought himself a lifetime in prison. The real boss villains are not harmed by any of this, and they will weaponise it against us like they do everything else. We all know this. We're not celebrating.
But celebration? We all know there's nothing to celebrate. A minor villain has gone, soon to be replaced with someone functionally identical. Another villain has bought himself a lifetime in prison. The real boss villains are not harmed by any of this, and they will weaponise it against us like they do everything else. We all know this. We're not celebrating.
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Starry Wisdom
Soz not sure what point you're making here
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
I'd say you're making a generous assumption there.
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Starry Wisdom
I try to see the best in people. Or something in them anyway
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
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Starry Wisdom
Fuck me, it's a new low for urban
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
I hate Tory scum but I draw the line at the death penalty for their beliefs.
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