Tory MP David Amess Stabbed to Death 15/10/21

[existentialist]

So he asked for it really ? Wasn’t a question of if just when?

I'd argue exactly that. When you drive inequality in a society, you put people under pressure, and leave them with little or nothing to lose.

Do that to enough people, and some of them will react unpredictably. Many will inflict their outrage on themselves - look at the suicide statistics for benefits claimants - but there is always going to be a few people whose falling off the ledge will be in the form of more outwardly directed harm, especially if more constructive avenues to express anger and outrage (eg protest) have been closed off.

See also: rioting.

 

[Ax^]

can we pay nigel farrage to stand in front of every mp


whom are you going to hit first, really

 

[rekil]

Anyone done the what was he wearing zinger yet?

 

[Raheem]

can we pay nigel farrage to stand in front of every mp


whom are you going to hit first, really

I've got two arms.

 

[rubbershoes]

No HIGNFY.

I guess the BBC think taking the piss out of politicians would be in bad taste

 

[SpookyFrank]

Let's wait until when it all comes out in actual reports.

He's a British national, as it turns out. So your little gotcha has backfired somewhat.

 

[Ax^]

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[chilango]

So, we've gone from a wild claim that this was "the absolutely direct manifestation of the society designed and implemented by him and his colleagues."

To it being a Somali.

Fun watching the wind change, I wonder how the mental gymnastics are going to play out now?

"Somalis" are just as much living in this society as anyone else. Nothing has changed regarding my point.

 

[bimble]

Nope.

Neither of those statements.

Both Cox"s and Amess' murderers had agency over their actions, and thus are responsible for them, yet both were shaped by, and acted within, a particular form of society and the values, structures and material conditions of that society. Which in turn frame the possible ways in which people can, and do, act.

ok. So what makes this fatal stabbing different from all the others that have happened so far this year? You seemed to be suggesting his being a tory mp was relevant to his being stabbed to death.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Anyone done the what was he wearing zinger yet?

He should have been more streetwise. MP's need to educate themselves about when they can and cannot be murdered. If in doubt, they can always flag down a fucking bus.

 

[Spymaster]

Now, who could make it all about himself?

"Otherwise I'd have been assaulted every day"

A stopped clock etc ...

 

[Raheem]

He should have been more streetwise. MP's need to educate themselves about when they can and cannot be murdered. If in doubt, they can always flag down a fucking bus.

99.9% of knife-wielding terrorists do an excellent job, often under difficult circumstances.

 

[chilango]

ok. So what makes this fatal stabbing different from all the others that have happened so far this year? You seemed to be suggesting his being a tory mp was relevant to his being stabbed to death.

Relevent in that he had a greater and more direct role in shaping this society. He bore a greater responsibility for the creation of the environment that led to his brutal murder than most victims have.

 

[Saul Goodman]

I'll hold my hand up to being the first to celebrate Thatcher's death, but celebrating somebody's murder is somewhere even I'm not prepared to go, and I'd consider myself a bit of a sick fuck.
There are some really fucking nasty people here.

 

[bimble]

Relevent in that he had a greater and more direct role in shaping this society. He bore a greater responsibility for the creation of the environment that led to his brutal murder than most victims have.

he didn't exactly deserve it but he helped facilitate his murder. ok.
i don't feel anything about this at all tbh, i'm not sad about the man dying, i don't know him, but this whole idea of his being culpable in some vague way for his being righteously stabbed to death seems like a symptom to me, of a pretty weird way of thinking that i don't want anything to do with.

 

[SpookyFrank]

he didn't exactly deserve it but he helped facilitate his murder. ok.

He supported a party and a government that has caused hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths. Facilitating just the one murder would be a slow day for these cunts.

 

[billy_bob]

As usual some people seem to confuse thinking about any explanation for why someone would do something terrible other than He Done A Bad Evil with saying the terrible thing is totally OK.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I'll hold my hand up to being the first to celebrate Thatcher's death, but celebrating somebody's murder is somewhere even I'm not prepared to go, and I'd consider myself a bit of a sick fuck.
There are some really fucking nasty people here.

Indeed, and two of those are training to be teachers, they should never be allowed anywhere near other people's kids IMO.

 

[Dandred]

He's a British national, as it turns out. So your little gotcha has backfired somewhat.

Oh, dear, you fell for it!

"We won't know shit for at least a few days and probably not for a couple of weeks when it all comes out in actual reports.

Until then we're reliant on unsourced rumours from news agencies pretending that they know what's going on when really they are just sourcing twatter."

 

[Ax^]

I'll hold my hand up to being the first to celebrate Thatcher's death, but celebrating somebody's murder is somewhere even I'm not prepared to go, and I'd consider myself a bit of a sick fuck.
There are some really fucking nasty people here.

thank you for the support

 

[chilango]

he didn't exactly deserve it but he helped facilitate his murder. ok.
i don't feel anything about this at all tbh, i'm not sad about the man dying, i don't know him, but this whole idea of his being culpable in some vague way for his being righteously stabbed to death seems like a symptom to me, of a pretty weird way of thinking that i don't want anything to do with.

Who said "righteously"?

Not me.

 

[Dandred]

"Somalis" are just as much living in this society as anyone else. Nothing has changed regarding my point.

Neither has your inability to back up your claim.

 

[bimble]

Who said "righteously"?

Not me.

You listed 3 reasons why he might have been killed? All to do with tory policies. Which loads of people 'liked'.
Were they not justifiable for murder just provoking? idk I'm probably just a liberal melt. I don't think it likely that this murder is because he was a tory, if it had been a lab constituency what would you say.

 

[platinumsage]

He supported a party and a government that has caused hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths. Facilitating just the one murder would be a slow day for these cunts.

All governments do that though.

 

[Ax^]

about the one time i'll quote the sun


What did Boris Johnson say about Jo Cox?

 

[chilango]

You listed 3 reasns why he might have been killed? to do with tory policies. Were they not justifiable just provoking? idk I'm probably just a liberal melt.

Reasons are not the same as moral justifications.

 

[Orang Utan]

Indeed, and two of those are training to be teachers, they should never be allowed anywhere near other people's kids IMO.

Oh fuck right off with that. That’s well out of order

 

[SpookyFrank]

You listed 3 reasons why he might have been killed? All to do with tory policies. Which loads of people 'liked'.
Were they not justifiable for murder just provoking? idk I'm probably just a liberal melt. I don't think it likely that this murder is because he was a tory, if it had been a lab constituency what would you say.

'Cause' and 'justification' are two different words.

 

[Ax^]

i knew a tory once , a nice fellla


voted like a fucking wanker mind....

 

[Shechemite]

Didn’t expect this