Tory Leadership contest 2022

[SpookyFrank]

Read the room Zahawi, read the fucking room…

But when I'm prime minister, which is more likely to happen, I won't give Boris Johnson a job.

Except maybe the job Edward Woodward gets given at the end of the Wicker Man.

 

[Cat Fan]

Not wishing to derail, but was furlough a bad thing? I don't think so.

Of course, if a Labour chancellor had come up with it, the rw tabloids would have screamed about spongers

Furlough was good for employees. Where his record is much worse is on supporting self employed. Consequently many small businesses had to fold completely and there are now many fewer people self employed than in 2019.

On the business side, he has been responsible for billions of fraudulent COVID recovery loans being handed out on his watch. Plus billions wasted on test and trace programme, mostly on expensive management consultants being paid up to £5,000 per day.

So overall I'd say his pandemic record is fairly patchy. The BBC was sickeningly painting him as a superhero just for doing the same COVID stimulus stuff that every other developed economy did.

 

[bimble]

I think it really might have been that pork markets moment that has done for liz truss, robbed her of her rightful (in her head) place as our leader.
Those long painful seconds that everybody has seen are actually the only memorable thing about her apart from maybe that photo with the fur hat on. The age of the videoclip has changed stuff it must have.
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[The39thStep]

Not wishing to derail, but was furlough a bad thing? I don't think so.

Of course, if a Labour chancellor had come up with it, the rw tabloids would have screamed about spongers

Furlough wasn't particularly a Sunak idea, nor even a UK-specific one. Furlough schemes were introduced in most European countries

 

[ruffneck23]

 

[danny la rouge]

I think it really might have been that pork markets moment that has done for liz truss, robbed her of her rightful (in her head) place as our leader.
Those long painful seconds that everybody has seen are actually the only memorable thing about her apart from maybe that photo with the fur hat on. The age of the videoclip has changed stuff it must have.
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We should ask them all questions about life. The big questions. Things none of us knows. Like: “what colour of bin is collected this week?”

My old neighbours, Jean and Ron, they’d know. I’d trust them with the economy. Not this lot.

 

[JimW]

Must be a right old laugh, Robert Peston if that's his idea of comedy gold.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Not wishing to derail, but was furlough a bad thing? I don't think so.

Of course, if a Labour chancellor had come up with it, the rw tabloids would have screamed about spongers

It was objectively necessary. It was also brilliantly designed and delivered by the state: something the leadership contenders have all conveniently overlooked. Instead they are now engaged in competition to see who can cut the state the most so that money can be passed to corporations.

 

[The39thStep]

We should ask them all questions about life. The big questions. Things none of us knows. Like: “what colour of bin is collected this week?”

My old neighbours, Jean and Ron, they’d know. I’d trust them with the economy. Not this lot.

 

[MickiQ]

We should ask them all questions about life. The big questions. Things none of us knows. Like: “what colour of bin is collected this week?”

My old neighbours, Jean and Ron, they’d know. I’d trust them with the economy. Not this lot.

The trick is not to be the first, I always wait until at least half a dozen others have been put out before I do mine.

 

[danny la rouge]

It was objectively necessary. It was also brilliantly designed and delivered by the state: something the leadership contenders have all conveniently overlooked. Instead they are now engaged in competition to see who can cut the state the most so that money can be passed to corporations.

Not sure it was brilliantly designed and delivered. But I’m with you in the rest.

 

[danny la rouge]

The trick is not to be the first, I always wait until at least half a dozen others have been put out before I do mine.

Well, exactly. They’re all waiting to see what Jean and Ron do.

 

[belboid]

Sunak invokes the ghost of that woman, Mordaunt chooses to remember the falklands. They’re playing all the old hits

 

[belboid]

It was objectively necessary. It was also brilliantly designed and delivered by the state: something the leadership contenders have all conveniently overlooked. Instead they are now engaged in competition to see who can cut the state the most so that money can be passed to corporations.

Except for the ones claiming Sunak introduced socialism! All the anti Sunak campaigns are going on about him being too interventionist.

 

[danny la rouge]

Sunak invokes the ghost of that woman, Mordaunt chooses to remember the falklands. They’re playing all the old hits

 

[belboid]

The big question for cheese connoisseur Liz is shorely - before or after beans?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Not sure it was brilliantly designed and delivered.

My wife was deployed onto the Furlough team during the pandemic so I’ll pass your comments and thoughts on to her…

 

[danny la rouge]

What are those things called that you blow into at parties and they make a tooh dooh sound then sort of unfurl?

 

[PR1Berske]

 

[danny la rouge]

My wife was deployed onto the Furlough team during the pandemic so I’ll pass your comments and thoughts on to her…

Nothing against individuals involved. But there were many discrepancies and oversights in the scheme. But yes, at short notice, they got money to people at a time it was needed.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I don't know what this means. Presumably an anti-trans thing?

 

[cesare]

What are those things called that you blow into at parties and they make a tooh dooh sound then sort of unfurl?

Party vuvuzelas

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Nothing against individuals involved. But there were many discrepancies and oversights in the scheme. But yes, at short notice, they got money to people at a time it was needed.

All joking aside, compare and contrast the furlough scheme to the private sector run test, trace and trace system.

The Tories plan to cut the budget of former by 20% to reduce the corporation tax of the latter. Most people understand that to be utterly shit politics.

My wife says your a twat by the way…

 

[danny la rouge]

All joking aside, compare and contrast the furlough scheme to the private sector run test, trace and trace system.

The Tories plan to cut the budget of former by 20% to reduce the corporation tax of the latter. Most people understand that to be utterly shit politics.

My wife says your a twat by the way…

I’m agreeing with you on all points expect that the scheme was “brilliantly designed and delivered”. I’m not joking that many of us did not find it so.

 

[Cat Fan]

It was not brilliantly designed and delivered.

It completely missed 3m people.

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The Denmark scheme has been held up as a much better example of how to target support to the businesses who needed it the most (e.g. Events industry, Creative industry, wedding industry) who basically got completely shafted by UK Gov.

And I'll take your "my wife" anecdote and raise you that my wife's business (creative industry) was devastated by UK Gov's decisions and she got almost zero support. Certainly not enough to live on like she would have had in other countries.

 

[Sue]

Sunak invokes the ghost of that woman, Mordaunt chooses to remember the falklands. They’re playing all the old hits

That whole Sunak 'I'm just like Thatcher because I helped out in my mum's pharmacy' thing. Thatcher was an anomaly in the higher echelons of the Tory party at that time because she was grammar school educated and not a public school type. Sunak seems to have omitted the whole going to Winchester thing for some reason.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I think it really might have been that pork markets moment that has done for liz truss, robbed her of her rightful (in her head) place as our leader.
Those long painful seconds that everybody has seen are actually the only memorable thing about her apart from maybe that photo with the fur hat on. The age of the videoclip has changed stuff it must have.
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Which is funny because she’s spent an absolute mint on PR the last couple of years.

Less funny because it’s our money she spent

 

[flypanam]

Sunak invokes the ghost of that woman, Mordaunt chooses to remember the falklands. They’re playing all the old hits

But it the old hits that matter to the reactionary group that make up the membership.

I do genuinely think that they’ve lost the old idea that the status quo has to offer material benefits to the WC.

 

[belboid]

I don't know what this means. Presumably an anti-trans thing?

Making light of the fact that she opposed some of the anti-trans rhetoric and was happy to use gender neutral language, which all the others (profess to) hate.

e2a: it was specifically said in answer to a question, that the guardian couldn’t hear properly, about trans issues

 

[danny la rouge]

That whole Sunak 'I'm just like Thatcher because I helped out in my mum's pharmacy' thing. Thatcher was an anomaly in the higher echelons of the Tory party at that time because she was grammar school educated and not a public school type. Sunak seems to have omitted the whole going to Winchester thing for some reason.

Have we had this?