Tory lead cut to 6% in poll ..

[ericjarvis]

You mean you don't remember the whole Bermondsey fiasco when Tatchell and Hughes were both standing?

To be fair, from what I've heard from a number of people who canvassed during that election, it wasn't Peter Tatchell's sexuality that was the crucial issue. His election publicity pointed out that he lived on the Rockingham Estate. Quite a lot of people told canvassers "if he can't get off the Rockingham Estate himself, how's he going to do anything about my transfer?"

 

[elbows]

Well The Sun is happy because the latest Yougov poll shows Cameron bouncing back to a 7 point lead after his speech. Im not sure about these daily polls, in some ways they are interesting, in others they will likely show polls up to be a bit silly. Lets see what tomorrows poll brings after the Ashcroft non-dom woes.

 

[TAE]

Kind of scary that so many people change their minds over one speech.

 

[London_Calling]

This overview stuff is ok but we really need to understand the effect of Ashcroft's money in the marginals.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Yep, it seems to me that what counts in this situation is which side most effectively focusses on swing voters in key marginals. That requires accurate market research techniques to be used and capitalised on locally and nationally.

That in turn requires plenty of money in the slush fund.

 

[butchersapron]

Yep, it seems to me that what counts in this situation is which side most effectively focusses on swing voters in key marginals. That requires accurate market research techniques to be used and capitalised on locally and nationally.

That in turn requires plenty of money in the slush fund.

...and if anyone has got ANY sense do that (i.e local papers, lib-dems etc you should have done it already)

 

[kyser_soze]

Well The Sun is happy because the latest Yougov poll shows Cameron bouncing back to a 7 point lead after his speech. Im not sure about these daily polls, in some ways they are interesting, in others they will likely show polls up to be a bit silly. Lets see what tomorrows poll brings after the Ashcroft non-dom woes.

Is that Cameron approval specifically, or the Tory party?

Telling that their swing support seems to be completely related to Cameron, and not the position of the party at large. Be interesting to see how the rest of the conference season plays out...

 

[JHE]

Well The Sun is happy because the latest Yougov poll shows Cameron bouncing back to a 7 point lead after his speech.

Yup: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...-bounce-back-to-7-point-lead-over-Labour.html

It includes this little gem.

In another turnaround from the earlier poll, more people now narrowly think the PM doesn't understand their problems (56 per pent) than Cameron (54 per cent).​

Hardly something for them to crow about!

 

[butchersapron]

Centering 5 - not good enough

 

[DotCommunist]

It's like watching someone punching a custard and still getting owned. Labour are so very ripe for a takedown and yet these clowns can't even muster a decent offensive.

 

[kyser_soze]

If you look at the position Blair and Labour were in in 1997, shit, even 1992, and look at the Tories now, 2 months before the election...

 

[butchersapron]

...yes?

 

[kyser_soze]

Nah, my turn to be gnomic, mr gnom.

 

[ViolentPanda]

To be fair, from what I've heard from a number of people who canvassed during that election, it wasn't Peter Tatchell's sexuality that was the crucial issue. His election publicity pointed out that he lived on the Rockingham Estate. Quite a lot of people told canvassers "if he can't get off the Rockingham Estate himself, how's he going to do anything about my transfer?"

Fair point, although the people talking to the canvassers probably didn't realise that Tatchell had (IIRC) chosen to live there.

 

[London_Calling]

How did he get a council flat?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Nah, my turn to be gnomic, mr gnom.

You just wanted to say that because it's "mong" in reverse, didn't you?

 

[butchersapron]

How did he get a council flat?

How many years ago?

You two faced tory cunt.

 

[ViolentPanda]

How did he get a council flat?

This was back in the days were they were more available than now, so all he did was apply to join the housing list (this was, you might recall, before the time when Right to Buy had really kicked into gear).

 

[ViolentPanda]

How many years ago?

You two faced tory cunt.

Well quite. Perhaps L_C was hoping someone would say "he got it because he's gay" or "he bummed Southwark's housing committee". Truth is, back then, if you were willing to take a place on a "rough estate", you could be on the housing list for quite a short period before you were offered something.

 

[London_Calling]

How many years ago?

You two faced tory cunt.

The above poster is available for functions on [email protected]e

This was back in the days were they were more available than now, so all he did was apply to join the housing list (this was, you might recall, before the time when Right to Buy had really kicked into gear).

Cheers.

 

[kyser_soze]

You just wanted to say that because it's "mong" in reverse, didn't you?

Now that you mention it, yes but it was more inspired by BA's gnomic+1 posting style of late...

 

[London_Calling]

Well quite. Perhaps L_C was hoping someone would say "he got it because he's gay" or "he bummed Southwark's housing committee".

Yep, that must have been the reason. Rumbled again by the great minds of Urban!

 

[ericjarvis]

Fair point, although the people talking to the canvassers probably didn't realise that Tatchell had (IIRC) chosen to live there.

His next door neighbour was an old friend of mine. It was actually not a bad place to be. The Rockingham Estate had good bits and bad bits, but a reputation based on the worst parts of the Estate.

I think it's a story that says a lot about the differences between working class and middle class attitudes to politics.

 

[ericjarvis]

How did he get a council flat?

Same way most people did back then. He applied to be on the housing list, and eventually he was offered a flat. There was a time when council housing existed in nearly sufficient quantity to deal with demand. In no way coincidentally it was a time before outrageous levels of house price inflation.

 

[co-op]

Same way most people did back then. He applied to be on the housing list, and eventually he was offered a flat. There was a time when council housing existed in nearly sufficient quantity to deal with demand. In no way coincidentally it was a time before outrageous levels of house price inflation.

Also there were a lot of "hard-to-let" flats around - some really weren't too bad, especially if you didn't have children.

 

[London_Calling]

It's quite interesting to look at the population shift as well: 1951-1996 - the 1981 census suggests the lowest post-war population was around the 1981 census.

The fall in pop. in Southwark between 1951 and 1981 is one of the most dramatic.

 

[butchersapron]

Sorry, i have to post this again

 

[glenquagmire]

It's quite interesting to look at the population shift as well: 1951-1996 - the 1981 census suggests the lowest post-war population was around the 1981 census.

The fall in pop. in Southwark between 1951 and 1981 is one of the most dramatic.

That's a really interesting set of data, ta.

The fall in pop. across most of London in that period is incredibly dramatic.

 

[London_Calling]

No worries. Through that period, it looks to be stable or increasing in the outer boroughs though (Bromley, Bexley, Croydon, etc).

Aside from Southwark, Westminster is pretty incredible.

 

[glenquagmire]

I suppose the clear trend is away from zones 2 and 3 towards the suburbs but driven by what? Building big new estates further out to house inner-city dwellers? Increasing affluence? Right to buy hadn't come in obviously.