Tory lead cut to 6% in poll ..

[butchersapron]

OK, balders, he's a repentant gay-basher - and the lib-dem local teams are now sweet and light, as are tory PPCs.

 

[butchersapron]

It was you who called him a GAY BASHER butchers.

So what?

 

[marty21]

His team? What exactly do you mean by that? Of course some of the people who canvassed for hughes thought tatchells sexuality was an issue. Do you think years later that should be blamed on Simon Hughes? Do you think he should be called a gay basher?

I didn't call him a gay basher tbf, they attacked his sexuality, and Hughes allowed that to happen, I've no idea if he ever apologised for his part in that - did he apologise?

 

[butchersapron]

I didn't call him a gay basher tbf, they attacked his sexuality, and Hughes allowed that to happen, I've no idea if he ever apologised for his part in that - did he apologise?

He did and it was accepted.

 

[marty21]

He did and it was accepted.

why is balders making it an issue then ?

 

[butchersapron]

Because it distracts from his idiocy above where he lines up with tories.

 

[kyser_soze]

Another one who thinks politicians motivations have changed and there's no way at all that a black tory could appeal to racist sentiment, no sir. Because that's what we're talking about - romford and bermondsey in 2010 - did you miss that?

Isn't this 'drawbridge thinking' or something similar? No surprise that a black candidate could endorse anti-immigration policies any more than hearing any other BME bemoaning Eastern Europeans, or any other recent arrivals.

 

[tbaldwin]

Because it distracts from his idiocy above where he lines up with tories.

What an idiot you are.

 

[ymu]

Isn't this 'drawbridge thinking' or something similar? No surprise that a black candidate could endorse anti-immigration policies any more than hearing any other BME bemoaning Eastern Europeans, or any other recent arrivals.

There are certainly large numbers of (I think mainly) second and third generation immigrants who are vehemently opposed to further immigration. "My parents didn't get it this easy, why should they" is a common sentiment. It's not just based on skin colour/origin though. Asians, IME, don't necessarily want more Asian immigration any more than they want it from anywhere else - they've worked hard to carve out a niche and they don't want it fucked up.

 

[Kaka Tim]

ITs intersting - and reassuring - that their appears to be very little public support for hard core thatcherite economics - nu labour are about as far to the economic right on this as the majority will accept. This puts the tories in a very awkard postiion - especailly as the rank and file are mostly hard core neo-cons.

Indeed it was their undisguised relish to get stuck into the public finances with the thatcherite hatchet and the 'strong medicine' that may well have frightened off a lot of their soft support - and now appears to be postively helping labour.

 

[Stoat Boy]

ITs intersting - and reassuring - that their appears to be very little public support for hard core thatcherite economics - nu labour are about as far to the economic right on this as the majority will accept. This puts the tories in a very awkard postiion - especailly as the rank and file are mostly hard core neo-cons.

Indeed it was their undisguised relish to get stuck into the public finances with the thatcherite hatchet and the 'strong medicine' that may well have frightened off a lot of their soft support - and now appears to be postively helping labour.

But its a false sense of safety. The country is drowning in debt and the liabilities it faces with the expanded public sector is like a mill stone around its neck.

There have to be massive cuts if the country is to avoid an economic melt-down. This is what people dont realise or want to face up to.

I am as guilty as most in that I look back over the last 10 years and realise that what I thought was wealth is in fact just all hype and mirrors and the bail out given to the banking industry has just bought home to me how much bullshit everything has been built on but another 5 years of Labour is going to do nothing other than add to the problems, not solve them.

The £ is already tanking and we could find ourselves having to go cap in hand to the IMF which will mean cuts in public services like you would not imagine.

People need to wake up to the shit we are in and realise that the bankrolling of the public sector over the last 10 years or so has been built on nothing more than hot air.

 

[kyser_soze]

Why don't you just stick to questions about plumbing or whatever trade it is you do, and stop repeating half remembered Daily Mail editorials and barely understood stories about economics you've seen in the Telegraph? Everyone's lives would be a lot easier.

 

[ExtraRefined]

Top news story on;

Independent
Telegraph
Times
FT

is the ongoing sterling collapse. Meanwhile on the BBC, it's hidden at the bottom of the page in the business section.

 

[tbaldwin]

But its a false sense of safety. The country is drowning in debt and the liabilities it faces with the expanded public sector is like a mill stone around its neck.

There have to be massive cuts if the country is to avoid an economic melt-down. This is what people dont realise or want to face up to.

I am as guilty as most in that I look back over the last 10 years and realise that what I thought was wealth is in fact just all hype and mirrors and the bail out given to the banking industry has just bought home to me how much bullshit everything has been built on but another 5 years of Labour is going to do nothing other than add to the problems, not solve them.

The £ is already tanking and we could find ourselves having to go cap in hand to the IMF which will mean cuts in public services like you would not imagine.

People need to wake up to the shit we are in and realise that the bankrolling of the public sector over the last 10 years or so has been built on nothing more than hot air.

Well the IMF dont seem to agree with you.
The huge increase in public spending on health and education could certainly have been handled better. But the knock on effcts of much of this spending was very positive for the private sector in the UK too. Hundreds of thousands of extra public sector staff taken on boosts the spending in shops,housing and loads of services.
To just put all that into reverse is a dangerous game. If jobs and services are cut in the public sector, people running small firms will suffer too.
Some of the excessive salaries in the public sector do need to be scaled back and tax does need to rise at the highest level. I think thats what the country needs. A slash and burn thatcherite approach could be disastrous for people like you.

 

[ymu]

But its a false sense of safety. The country is drowning in debt and the liabilities it faces with the expanded public sector is like a mill stone around its neck.

There have to be massive cuts if the country is to avoid an economic melt-down. This is what people dont realise or want to face up to.

I am as guilty as most in that I look back over the last 10 years and realise that what I thought was wealth is in fact just all hype and mirrors and the bail out given to the banking industry has just bought home to me how much bullshit everything has been built on but another 5 years of Labour is going to do nothing other than add to the problems, not solve them.

The £ is already tanking and we could find ourselves having to go cap in hand to the IMF which will mean cuts in public services like you would not imagine.

People need to wake up to the shit we are in and realise that the bankrolling of the public sector over the last 10 years or so has been built on nothing more than hot air.

Jebus, even the IMF think the Tories plans for cuts are going to tip us back into recession.

 

[kabbes]

Top news story on;

Independent
Telegraph
Times
FT

is the ongoing sterling collapse. Meanwhile on the BBC, it's hidden at the bottom of the page in the business section.

That's because a daily movement that is sizeable but certainly not unheard of even within the last few years -- something which is only readjusting Sterling to a level against the Dollar that is still well in excess of its point a few years ago -- is not something that is going to affect many people's lives, to be frank.

 

[butchersapron]

Top news story on;

Independent
Telegraph
Times
FT

is the ongoing sterling collapse. Meanwhile on the BBC, it's hidden at the bottom of the page in the business section.

So?

 

[kyser_soze]

Lord Ashcroft is the lead story on the Times, the Indy one is a reprint of a PA article, and the Telegraph one doesn't have a byline on it, so probably a re-write of the PA article, and the lead article on the FT is the Prudential buying AIA.

 

[goldenecitrone]

There have to be massive cuts if the country is to avoid an economic melt-down. This is what people dont realise or want to face up to.

The £ is already tanking and we could find ourselves having to go cap in hand to the IMF which will mean cuts in public services like you would not imagine.

People need to wake up to the shit we are in and realise that the bankrolling of the public sector over the last 10 years or so has been built on nothing more than hot air.

That's right, it's all the public sector's fault. All those expensive schools and hospitals. We should close them all so we've got more money to help bail out the bankers again in a few months time.

 

[Fedayn]

His team? What exactly do you mean by that? Of course some of the people who canvassed for hughes thought tatchells sexuality was an issue. Do you think years later that should be blamed on Simon Hughes? Do you think he should be called a gay basher?

He was complicit at the time yes, absolutely, now stop trying to make out he wasn't. Hughes accepts his own complicity so for you to try and deny it is frankly hilarious.

 

[marty21]

Lord Ashcroft is the lead story on the Times, the Indy one is a reprint of a PA article, and the Telegraph one doesn't have a byline on it, so probably a re-write of the PA article, and the lead article on the FT is the Prudential buying AIA.

haven't read the article yet, but has he basically admitted that he has non-dom for tax purposes?

So he was made a peer in 2000, and said that he would be paying UK tax, now 10 years later he admits that he doesn't pay tax in the UK. Does all this mean all his donations to the Tory party should be treated as foreign donations? and are they allowed? (Not totally clear on the rules for foreign donations) and if they aren't allowed, how much has he given the Tories, and should they not return the money? and given that he was made a peer under false pretences, should he not be banished from the Lords and his peerage annulled (is that the correct term?)

 

[butchersapron]

haven't read the article yet, but has he basically admitted that he has non-dom for tax purposes?

So he was made a peer in 2000, and said that he would be paying UK tax, now 10 years later he admits that he doesn't pay tax in the UK. Does all this mean all his donations to the Tory party should be treated as foreign donations? and are they allowed? (Not totally clear on the rules for foreign donations) and if they aren't allowed, how much has he given the Tories, and should they not return the money? and given that he was made a peer under false pretences, should he not be banished from the Lords and his peerage annulled (is that the correct term?)

It was conditional on doing things that Hague had to check up on hm doing - he either didn't check them up or he covered them up...loads left in this one ...

 

[ymu]

haven't read the article yet, but has he basically admitted that he has non-dom for tax purposes?

So he was made a peer in 2000, and said that he would be paying UK tax, now 10 years later he admits that he doesn't pay tax in the UK. Does all this mean all his donations to the Tory party should be treated as foreign donations? and are they allowed? (Not totally clear on the rules for foreign donations) and if they aren't allowed, how much has he given the Tories, and should they not return the money? and given that he was made a peer under false pretences, should he not be banished from the Lords and his peerage annulled (is that the correct term?)

Yep. That'll be ten years of back tax, along with all the usual interest and fines for failure to submit returns/pay up. The Tories can repay all his illegal donations in the form of a fine to the Treasury, seeing as he really doesn't deserve to get it back. And the peerage removed, of course.

Like it'll happen ...

 

[ViolentPanda]

Has Simon Hughes been bashing gay people recently?
And how`do you know what shes thinking? I think she might just beone of the vast majority of people who think that the UK has to control migration. Not such a suprise surely?

Anyway what are you talking about re Simon Hughes? The IWCA could learn a lot from him.

You mean you don't remember the whole Bermondsey fiasco when Tatchell and Hughes were both standing?

 

[ViolentPanda]

That's a really shit ECG reading. I reckon you're dead!

 

[ViolentPanda]

He was quite happy to get elected on the back of virulent homophobia from his own campaign team when he first made it into Parliament. That doesn't make him a gay basher, but it makes him a grade one hypocrite.

And his protestations about he hadn't sanctioned his campaign team to do so were never that credible. A campaign manager just wouldn't wrong-foot their candidate like that.

 

[weltweit]

According to the R4 news, the tories think that new labour have about 5 or 6 non dom doners also, including Lord Paul.

 

[butchersapron]

They do - none of them are deputy chairman or bankrollers of campaigners in marginal seats or proven liars. They can say the the word PAUL over an fucking over, but they're in trouble.

 

[ymu]

That's a really shit ECG reading. I reckon you're dead!

It's a great choice of scale too. Oh noes, the £ has lost a whole 2%!

 

[TAE]

lol ymu.



This won't help the tories:

Lord Ashcroft admits 'non-dom' tax status:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8542744.stm