Toriers & Lib Dems, deal by Monday morning?
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fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
apparently lib-lab deal fell through because labour wouldn't budge on civil liberties...
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
According to a Tory blogger.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I can easily see this being the first line of defence the lib-dems adopt though.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
really? I think he's being played meself, making himself lok an utterly unprincipled prat, who will fuck his party up completely at next years election.
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
I wouldn't be at all surprised.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You're mad
He's made himself unpopular across the political spectrum - including to those not ideologically committed - and ensured that levels of distrust of him and party have gone through the roof, for which there will be significant electoral consequences.the button
out on the kocker
Peter Hain probably balked at the pass laws.
Wolfie Smith
Sociable Worker
Indeed - the sight of Hague announcing, through gritted teeth, that the Tories would conceed a referendum on AV was really rather splendid.
Sadly it looks like a Con/Lib agreement is on the cards though. The fact that a number of labour MPs and ex-MPs have come out against a Lab/Lib deal has rather made the wheels come off the rainbow alliance idea. It's a real shame that the non-Tory parties didn't hold onto even four or five more seats between them.
elbows
Well-Known Member
I doubt the lib dems are planning to get any of their immigration policies as part of a deal.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
He was just on the news doing old anti-apartheid songs.
Yes, well done labour on refusing to allows the lib-dems to bulldoze their anti-civil liberties agenda through.
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
yeah, some of the results were so close... if only they'd held onto oxford west and a few others for example a lib/lab coalition would have been a real possibility
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
1) I've come at long last to the conclusion that I don't want to see Labour patch together a rainbow coalition. I think that it wouldn't last and it would totally fuck both of Labour and the Liberals over when it falls down within a year.
2) I don't want to see the Lib Dems in coalition with the Tories either. I don't want the Tories anywhere near power. But if I get my wish with statement 1), the Tories are going to end up in power anyway, because they are the largest party.
So would I prefer a Tory minority government or would I prefer a coalition, with some concessions going to the Lib Dems? I have to say -- probably the latter. Particularly since I don't think it will last long either way. Which means another election in a year or so and hopefully a more successful left-of-centre result next time round.
It's tough though, because it involves admitting that the Tories have, in effect, won this election. For now, at least. But really, they have. With the DUP they're only less than 10 seats away from a majority. It's hard to fight that. Better to concede it now and fight every more they try to make.
2) I don't want to see the Lib Dems in coalition with the Tories either. I don't want the Tories anywhere near power. But if I get my wish with statement 1), the Tories are going to end up in power anyway, because they are the largest party.
So would I prefer a Tory minority government or would I prefer a coalition, with some concessions going to the Lib Dems? I have to say -- probably the latter. Particularly since I don't think it will last long either way. Which means another election in a year or so and hopefully a more successful left-of-centre result next time round.
It's tough though, because it involves admitting that the Tories have, in effect, won this election. For now, at least. But really, they have. With the DUP they're only less than 10 seats away from a majority. It's hard to fight that. Better to concede it now and fight every more they try to make.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Actually I think the Con-Lib pact could well be the best possible option - there will (as there would be under Lib-Lab) no sentimental attachment to keeping the "achievements" of Labour (ID Cards, 42 days, expanded DNA database etc), and the worst excesses of Toryism (which we would have seen in a Tory majority) will not be implementable.
In fact, its by no means unlikely that this government will be less right wing, and less authoritarian, than Brown's was.
Wolfie Smith
Sociable Worker
^^This.
There's a good chance that a Lib/Con coalition wouldn't last long, and with a new leader in a new election Labour will do better.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
now there's an election slogan
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
A conservative minority govt would be gone even sooner.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
But what ways could they manage to find to fuck us all over in the meantime?
And this could be our one chance to get a change to the voting system, if that's the kind of thing that interests you.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's not.
How will they get anything done? It's not even guaranteed they can get the Queen's Speech passed.
the button
out on the kocker
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
So it's Clegg-Cam, or Cam-alone.
kabbes
First intersubjective, then internalised
The Tories/DUP would have 315 MPs between them. Sinn Fein don't turn up, so that leaves 645 seats, which means 323 seats is enough. On any given issue, the Tories would only need 8 abstentions or 4 rebels to support them rather than the opposition. I'm sure they could manage to wreak all kinds of damage on that basis.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
They won't get them. Why would they?
That can wreak far more damage with a 60 seat majority in coalition with another party that shares their neo-liberal agenda.
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