cesare
shady's dreams ♥
You couldn't accuse Brown of doing that. He's doing what's needed to avoid that accusation
Toriers & Lib Dems, deal by Monday morning?
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You couldn't accuse Brown of doing that. He's doing what's needed to avoid that accusation
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
anyone going to place bets on what happens?!?!?!
i'm beginning to feel sorry for the lib demsthey're fucked either way...
I don't feel sorry for any of them, least of all the LibDems.
fractionMan
Custom Title
((politicians))
Funny how brackets can look so much like a noose.
Funny how brackets can look so much like a noose.
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
i like the lib dems!
they'd better not fuck up leaving us with either the odious tories or new labour as the only two parties of choice...
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
why would it have less democratic mandate than any other coalition? The only question is what the Lib Dems were hoping for when they voted. The majority probably hoped for a LibLab coalition.
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
all the lib dems i know want a lib-lab-rainbow coalition...
(not exactly proper research, yes i know)
(not exactly proper research, yes i know)
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Oh dear oh dear
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
except Clegg, the tory shitbag
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's wonder how a tory like him ever got elected by the party isn't it? Oh hang on...
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
I hope they do. I hope all 3 of them fuck it up.
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
and fuck everyone in the country over? that's nice...
rioted
redundant
You really, really think the poor and sick have done well under labour? Mad. Keep taking the spin pills.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
It was probably on account of his sweet nature and boyish good looks.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
They've been fucking us all over for years.
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
in what way are they not going to? I can't believe people are still hopeful about us getting anything out of this!
I don't know whether Clegg is playing for it but his best bet might be just to let the extremes of both Labour and the Tories wrench their relative centres away from any embrace with the Lib Dems and force a Tory minority government.
It won't be pretty for the country for about 12 months or so, what with any Tory governement necessarily being a lot more right-wing than the campaign or manifesto promised given Cameron's ballsing up of a golden opportunity, but it would pave the way for a proper Lib-Lab coalition sometime next year.
It won't be pretty for the country for about 12 months or so, what with any Tory governement necessarily being a lot more right-wing than the campaign or manifesto promised given Cameron's ballsing up of a golden opportunity, but it would pave the way for a proper Lib-Lab coalition sometime next year.
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
Urgh, Labour have really fucked it
12.53pm: Do read this. My colleague Polly Toynbee has been taking soundings from some Lib Dems and she says they are getting the impression that some on the Labour side are not serious about striking a deal.
Polly Toynbee
Talking to some high-ups on the progressive wing of the Lib Dems, they worry that some the Labour chief negotiators are just going through the motions while putting serious obstacles in the way. They fear many in Labour agree with the neanderthal tendency represented by David Blunkett – no deal is better than giving true proportional representation to the Lib Dems.
This is odd and unexpected: they say Lords Mandelson and Adonis are extraordinarily positive and willing to give most things on the radical Lib Dem agenda. Surprisingly it is those you might think on the left – Harriet Harman, Ed Miliband and Ed Balls who are foot-dragging. This team of negotiators claim Labour can't guarantee to get real PR through the party and none seem keen on it anyway. Their attitude, say my informants, is far from welcoming. The suspicion is they would prefer to sit on the opposition bench and watch the Lib Dems be slaughtered by tying themselves to the Conservatives.
12.53pm: Do read this. My colleague Polly Toynbee has been taking soundings from some Lib Dems and she says they are getting the impression that some on the Labour side are not serious about striking a deal.
Polly Toynbee
Talking to some high-ups on the progressive wing of the Lib Dems, they worry that some the Labour chief negotiators are just going through the motions while putting serious obstacles in the way. They fear many in Labour agree with the neanderthal tendency represented by David Blunkett – no deal is better than giving true proportional representation to the Lib Dems.
This is odd and unexpected: they say Lords Mandelson and Adonis are extraordinarily positive and willing to give most things on the radical Lib Dem agenda. Surprisingly it is those you might think on the left – Harriet Harman, Ed Miliband and Ed Balls who are foot-dragging. This team of negotiators claim Labour can't guarantee to get real PR through the party and none seem keen on it anyway. Their attitude, say my informants, is far from welcoming. The suspicion is they would prefer to sit on the opposition bench and watch the Lib Dems be slaughtered by tying themselves to the Conservatives.
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
Caroline Lucas on the BBC... she seems lovely.
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
Some twot on the BBC just called Disco Dave the next Disraeli?!?!?!
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
He's an idiot. He got heckled though.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
there's a surprise
fakeplasticgirl
Keirleader
urghhh... bbc reporter and right wing tory licking each others arses...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Andy Burnham, who is really the voice of the labour grass-roots amaongst the big fish here, has pretty much said fuck the lib-dems.
1%er
Well-Known Member
I am using the generally accepted definition of manufacturing economy
The UK is a net imported not a net exporter, the £ has dropped between 25% and 40% of it value against many countries that it imports from but does not export that much too. (I am looking outside the EU and the USA)
So the UK is getting less money for its exports (betweem 25% and 40% in some cases) and paying more money for its imports (again 25% to 40% in many cases), that is NOT GOOD for the UK.
The only thing that has worked in the UKs favour is that the $ and Euro have also been having a bad time, but the Euro looks like it will gain some now, but the £ is still very weak and going down. (lost 4% against the $ in 2 days)
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