Toriers & Lib Dems, deal by Monday morning?

[elbows]

Ashdown says 'hooray'

 

[agricola]

Deal approved, voted through, no MPs voted against, 1 federal executive objection, statement from Clegg in 15-20 mins.

Ashdown repeating "hurray" as a response. I take it he voted no?

 

[Sunray]

*in a way i guess this is the kind of result PR would throw up too! though im stil very much pro PR.

**by the way, no where else to post this, anyone see Alaister Campbell on newsnight? finally come down of his four day coke binge - looking roooouuugghghhhh!

Yes, but instead of it being something done like rabbits in car headlights, it will be done slowly over time.

I can get away from the feeling that these negotiations are like politics being done for the electorate rather than some political ideology.

The Tories have done themselves a hideous disservice in my eyes, their obvious lust for power was actually quite lurid to watch, like watching sweets being dangled slightly out of reach of two year olds.

 

[free spirit]

rumours are sounding like the libdems have got the torys to accept the 10k no tax band - that would be a silver lining - especially after the Brown 10p tax band scandal - for everyone out there on shit pay (like me). great for small business too as business tax bills go right down. hope that happens

that's potentially good, but only sensible if something was done to claw the money back from those higher up the pecking order such as not just leaving the higher rate boundary where it is, but lowering the threshold by the equivalent amount to the £700 per person saved on not paying the bit between the current no tax threshold and the new 10k one, or maybe raising the upper limit on NI or something.

otherwise it's just a tax giveaway to all income tax payers, and anyone earning under 10k would actually get less out of it than other people.

 

[elbows]

Yawn the lib dem statement isnt due till 00.50 now.

 

[ska invita]

that's potentially good, but only sensible if something was done to claw the money back from those higher up the pecking order such as not just leaving the higher rate boundary where it is, but lowering the threshold by the equivalent amount to the £700 per person saved on not paying the bit between the current no tax threshold and the new 10k one, or maybe raising the upper limit on NI or something.

otherwise it's just a tax giveaway to all income tax payers, and anyone earning under 10k would actually get less out of it than other people.

well, libdems had it costed somehow - supposedly all the figures are in their manifesto, and also supposedly the torys have 'rubbed out their manifesto, and taken the libdem one' <lets wait and see just how hard the torys intend to shaft the libdems. but yeah, it must be costed somehow. have they had to time redo budgets? doubt it

 

[elbows]

Yawn the lib dem statement isnt due till 00.50 now.

Oh it sounds like the BBC got it wrong and it will be in a few minutes time, good, I cant be arsed to stay up much longer.

 

[elbows]

Clegg speaks....

Thanks Gordon, you graceful profound towering mountain.

New kind of government.

New politics. Politicians coming together and overcoming their differences.

Thanks Cameron, positive workman agreement, we are united in wishing to tackle the challenges.

Problems and glitches, I will do my best to show that new politics is better.

Message to Lib Dem voters: I carry your hopes with me. Questions, doubts, assure you I wouldnt have agreed to this unless I was convinced it offers a unique opportunity to deliver changes you and I believe in.

Green sustainable growth.
New Open Politics
Hope you keep faith
Let us prove that we can serve you & country in a fair & dedicated way.

End.

 

[free spirit]

well, libdems had it costed somehow - supposedly all the figures are in their manifesto, and also supposedly the torys have 'rubbed out their manifesto, and taken the libdem one' <lets wait and see just how hard the torys intend to shaft the libdems. but yeah, it must be costed somehow. have they had to time redo budgets? doubt it

they kind of did, but it was one of the things that I didn't think they'd really thought through properly, as IIRC they were trying to balance it out using vince cable's mansion tax and some other relatively unrelated top end taxes.

there's also the issue of whether it would be fully transferable under the married couples tax allowance or not. If it was, then suddenly that would mean someone who's wife/husband/civil partner wasn't working would be entitled to the first 20k of any earnings tax free, which doesn't seem very fair on for example single parents or well anyone not married really. This could actually partially be the reason the tories have gone for it, as they wanted to increase tax incentives for marriage, and this would do it by the backdoor if it was fully transferable under the existing transferable married couple allowance system.

 

[butchersapron]

i see it now. no wonder their negotiations went so smoothly.

is it £17bn a year? where are they going to claw that back from???

Here (4:19):

Back to the Tory/Lib Dem coalition plan. On tax, the key proposal is a "substantial increase in the personal allowance from April 2011, with the benefits focused on those with lower and middle incomes". Part of the cost of this will come from a big increase in non-business capital gains tax.

 

[Diamond]

Does anyone know what the actual deal is? Has it been confirmed anywhere? If not when will we know?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/12/lib-dem-tory-deal-coalition

...is as far as they've managed to get.

 

[TAE]

Safeguards against the misuse of anti-terrorism legislation

Sounds like they will not be repealing then?

 

[butchersapron]

In negotiation you start off with your template and then go for your targets.

Start with AV, on the understanding that it's a prerequisite and then screw it higher into what you really want.

If they don't budge, you consult and come again.

Otherwise if you don't even have AV as your prerequisite when negotiating with the Tories, you certainly are not going to get anything more.

Well starting off saying AV then going oh yeah, we really meant PR will not work - not in terms of getting PR. That's an utterly absurd way to approach things. It's a great way to get AV though.

What you think now?