Toriers & Lib Dems, deal by Monday morning?

[weltweit]

Well put it on the bloody table then! But of course, as i think everyone now can see for themselves, the lib-dems are not at all interested in such a anti-tory coalition, even one guaranteed not to harm them own standing. Their natural inclination today is to work with the tories, not out of imposition but rather, out of clear choice and sense of personal or party interest - puffed up as 'the national interest' of course.

If your reading of your own party is correct and its naturally anti-tory - that was after all the basis for your very confident predictions that the lib-dems would never join a tory govt, that they would never settle for a deal that only contained PR, that members and MPs would revolt, rebel, defect and desert if such a scenario came to pass (and lo it did but they didn't) then they should not only welcome something like i outlined but be actively demanding it right now, pressurising their local parties, their councillors, whatever internal bodies exist, rather than going oh no the labour party wouldn't roll over for us so oiut of spite we're going to give the people of this country a tory govt.

But you're not are you, because the dominant tone of the party is not one open to that, it's a tory party mark 2. It's lead by tories, it shares a program of austerity, cuts and attacks on the working class with the tories. You might as well merge with them.

Why the hell do you think that only tory voters would be the ones to turn out in increased numbers? On what grounds? The labour party in fact, was the only party down to its absolute bare-bones grassroots vote - they're the only one with room to expand their vote upwards - and they would to stop the tory govt that you're prepared to be part of..

Butchers, I have never seen you write so much about anything!!!

Didn't know you had it in you !!

 

[butchersapron]

So the SDP and the liberals both finally end up back where they started - literally for the latter and once again in the role of the tories butler in the case of the former.

 

[Sgt Howie]

Vote Lib Dem to keep the Tories out.

 

[butchersapron]

Butchers, I have never seen you write so much about anything!!!

Didn't know you had it in you !!

That because you're still a newbie i've some monsters in my back catalogue...

 

[elbows]

Nick Robinson is wanking on about this being an opportunity for Cameron to reshape politics, he studied Disraeli and knows how to bend and flex apparently.

 

[magneze]

The News channels are showing hundreds of people outside the Cabinet Office and the HOC, this is quite new for many of us, surely the last time an election result was so anticipated and people out on the streets was 79?

I waiting for EastEnders tbh.

 

[where to]

Nick Robinson

people moan about Sky but this guy is just as bad. not a correspondent or a reporter, but a commentator. totally abuses his position.

 

[free spirit]

Why the hell do you think that only tory voters would be the ones to turn out in increased numbers? On what grounds? The labour party in fact, was the only party down to its absolute bare-bones grassroots vote - they're the only one with room to expand their vote upwards - and they would to stop the tory govt that you're prepared to be part of..

because they're the only party likely to have any money to campaign with for one thing, plus having the support of the biggest circulation newspapers. Maybe the unions would be able to prop labour up a bit, but the lib dems would be screwed financially going into a new campaign, and I'm pretty sure labour wouldn't be able to match the tories either.

for another, they actually have a party leader, labour don't, which I doubt would usually be considered a good start to an election campaign.

 

[elbows]

Never mind, lib dem lovers will likely have some tax policy changes from the Tories to look on the bright side about & take credit for.

 

[maldwyn]

Thanks for that. That's reassuring. Someone told me not only has he stood down as PM but he was also about to announce he has given up party leadership.

It came true, fuck.

 

[ramjamclub]

What do we do now?

 

[weltweit]

So, I wonder what the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives have proposed about Europe?

I just heard Pat Cash on the TV talking about taking powers back from Europe. I can't see the Liberals going along with that.

 

[weltweit]

And, for that matter, what will they do about Trident? !!

That must have been an interesting debate in the talks.

 

[butchersapron]

Pat Cash? You sure? Or do you mean BIll Rash?

 

[weltweit]

Pat Cash? You sure? Or do you mean BIll Rash?

Oh, yes, you are quite right, now that you mention it Pat Cash is the tennis player isn't he ... sorry

 

[elbows]

BBC are getting firmer with the belief that Clegg will become Deputy PM.

 

[danny la rouge]

Pat Cash is the tennis player isn't he ... sorry

I think he's a DJ with big hair.

 

[weltweit]

Yea, ok .. I got a name wrong ... !!! ffs

But what about Europe and Trident?

What do you think the coalition negotiations made of those?

 

[CyberRose]

Does anyone know what the actual deal is? Has it been confirmed anywhere? If not when will we know?

 

[elbows]

Yea, ok .. I got a name wrong ... !!! ffs

But what about Europe and Trident?

What do you think the coalition negotiations made of those?

Trident not negotiable, Europe will be dealt with as they go along, there arent any huge EU issues on the immediate horizon that would cause woes, and there was nothing in the respective manifestos regarding the EU that actually meant anything.

 

[weltweit]

Does anyone know what the actual deal is? Has it been confirmed anywhere? If not when will we know?

I think it is still private.

But the LibDem parliamentary party is being told about it about now and then they have to vote 75% in favour of it for it all not to unravel around them!

 

[TAE]

But what about Europe and Trident?

I suspect some Tories want to test Trident on Brussels and some Lib Dems are discussing a compromise.

 

[claphamboy]

But what about Europe and Trident?

Pat Europe, Cash in Trident.

 

[weltweit]

you are all barstewards !!

 

[TAE]

 

[Sunray]

The way the numbers are stacked, the sitting LibDems that are going to to back to their constituencies and get some serious heat from their constituents. When real blue tory policy gets announced, I wonder if Clegg can hold them all together. I reckon the Labour party are thinking that they when push comes to shove and the Tories propose some swinging cuts, the Lib dems are going to be up for a LibLab vote of no confidence.

Stable government? Only person thinking that is David Cameron when he's sleeping.

 

[ska invita]

*in a way i guess this is the kind of result PR would throw up too! though im stil very much pro PR.

**by the way, no where else to post this, anyone see Alaister Campbell on newsnight? finally come down of his four day coke binge - looking roooouuugghghhhh!

 

[elbows]

Apparently the lib dems are just finishing up their voting on the deal, although its pretty much a formality at this point.

 

[ska invita]

rumours are sounding like the libdems have got the torys to accept the 10k no tax band - that would be a silver lining - especially after the Brown 10p tax band scandal - for everyone out there on shit pay (like me). great for small business too as business tax bills go right down. hope that happens

 

[elbows]

Deal approved, voted through, no MPs voted against, 1 federal executive objection, statement from Clegg in 15-20 mins.