Today was the start of the Great Miners’ Strike of 1984/85.
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nino_savatte
No pasaran!
I have to register for that. Does bugmenot still work?
the button
out on the kocker
Anyway, where are these devastated banker communities?
Will no-one think of the (posh) children?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ols-Students-shown-door-parents-fail-pay.html
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Will no-one think of the (posh) children?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ols-Students-shown-door-parents-fail-pay.html
Aw, bless. Guess Jocasta, Tarquin and Rupert will all have to go to state schools.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Odd, I don't seem to have to. Bugmenot should still work I would have thought.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
you've just forgotten you already have an account on auto-login
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
what do you mean?
Nationalisation without compensation, no repossessions, cancellation of personal debts, sack the board with no pension, that'd be my starting point.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
No, it says I'm not logged in. How queer.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
I mean that I have biiiig issue with the unions' stance on this. They help to fund the government.
audiotech
wav, aiff, mp3, ogg, flac
The decision was made not to discuss with the NUM the economic viability of individual pits. This led to miners deciding to strike to defend their jobs, they then went to other pits who came out in solidarity.
The bullying and intimidation came from the government, via the NCB, with the police brandishing the big stick, as the decision had already been made to crush the miners.
Most of the deaths came about due to people being killed by scab lorries and desperate people digging for coal to keep themselves warm.
The taxpayers money, lots of it, used to defeat the miners, led to the mines, including those in Nottingham, being closed after the strike had ended.
marty21
One on one? You're crazy.
Anyway, where are these devastated banker communities?
<passes around a bucket>
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
what issues?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
sick or slop?
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Am I alone in saying fuckit, bring it on?
The seppoes have fucking fled from the banks, preferring to vacate their properties cos they were frightened of what the banks could do to them personally, individually. So loads of em are fucking living on sofas, whatever.
Why should we do that? Why not refuse to move, en masse? Nothing revolutionary about that lol. Bring it on, banks, you cunts. Just how many bailiffs have you got
Just sit tight and refuse to move.
nightbreed
Im Bored
Just read this report about the strike here. Scargill brings in information that is new.Can all this be verified? My view is that Scargill is probably right and the Tories did renage on agreements and potential settlements.
In Novermber I guess we can remember the day it became morally bankrupt, when two miners killed a taxi driver by dropping a lump of cement through his car window off a motoway bridge. I've changed job 5 times in my life without any problem. These folks decided to murder someone to relieve themselves of the effort of doing it once.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That's based on your detailed research of the circumstances of nearly 200 000 miners is it? The argument made at the time was that there was no other work in most of these towns. That has been borne out.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Morals? Not a mention of the 3 kids who died coalpicking to keep their famuilies warm, or the social security cutting striking familes money by £15 a week, a deliberate attempt to starve them,., mo mention of the 6 picketers killed one way or another. Morals? yeah, nice one Pilate, wash your hands of them.
i believe it would .. the strike way the strike arose, not being unanimous and not having followed ( legitimately) the same rules as all other unions have, made it harder to argue for solidarity action .. though yes of course that action should have come regardless
arseholes like u should be made to work down mines .. i do not begrudge miners a single penny of what they earnt .. miners only statrted to eran decent money after WW2 .. and yet hundreds of thousends are to this day sufferring serious health issues from what was the nastiest job in the land
what are you on about? the strike was against a pit closure programme
the state made a decision it was preferable to import cheap coal mined in environmentally disasterous and criminal working conditions from third world countries rather than have an safer industry here in which people were paid at a rate that the job deserved ..
which do you support?
this sounds like an attack on the state .. lol
do you really not know anything abiut the miners strike? .. the first person to die was a picket
http://www.workersliberty.org/print/1833
good little thatcherite .. this was the 8ts .. there were few other jobs to go to .. you honestly think most miners would have wanted to stay underground if offerred a decent job above?
yup that attack on the scabs was thick .. but this is what happens when people are pushed to the limit .. as BA has pointed out the vast maj of people who died were miners .. on picket lines and trying to get coal to keep warm ..
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
Has anybody read the Billy Bragg article and all the comments underneath it?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/mar/05/miners-strike-thatcherism-billy-bragg
It's quite an interesting read
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/mar/05/miners-strike-thatcherism-billy-bragg
It's quite an interesting read
"Is there anybody out there willing to stand up – on this, of all days – and raise a toast to the wilful destruction of our manufacturing industry and its replacement by the financial services sector? Yes, there were unions who were resistant to change, but whoever came up with the idea that the solution to this problem was to import cars rather than make them ourselves sacrificed more than just the entire engineering skills base.
The forces that Margaret Thatcher unleashed in order to defeat the NUM destroyed whole communities before leeching into our society. Untamed by successive governments, these same forces now threaten to devour us all."
yes its good
2 things from the comments ..
1) that BB didn't criticise nu lab enough
and 2) fuck me but arn't guardianistas a rightwing bunch of arseholes!
The forces that Margaret Thatcher unleashed in order to defeat the NUM destroyed whole communities before leeching into our society. Untamed by successive governments, these same forces now threaten to devour us all."
yes its good
2 things from the comments ..
1) that BB didn't criticise nu lab enough
and 2) fuck me but arn't guardianistas a rightwing bunch of arseholes!
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
Yeah I was thinking about this - actually though I wouldn't be surprised if this is because the article was linked to from right-wing sites... after all, anybody can comment, not just Guardian readers themselves...
This issue really is at the centre of their Thatcher fetish.
dennisr
the acceptable face
The miners strike was one of those points where you have to take sides.
For many of the people involved it still touches a raw nerve 25 years later. I can understand that from the point of view of folk who watched hungry people faced with mounting debt, no heating, their kids even refused school dinners, families torn apart, coppers marching through their villages waving overtime cheques at them when not beating them with impunity, all the old security destroyed except basic human solidarity holding you together.
I can even understand that from the point of view of the ruling class - Thatcher, the cabinet, the coal board coldly planning their battles to defend their class.
But some wanker like Foxy above - some cunt who read a theory out of a book and swallowed it whole who's idea of human emotion is a wind-up on a bulletin board with the advantage of anonimity. A lame defense of people who would treat him as the same sort of pawn and cast him aside when used up. Worse a defense of the very people who have not only destroyed those mining communities but have 25 years later proven themselves capable of destroying an entire societies security, futures, lives - as tens of thousands face job losses and loss of the roof over their families heads at the whims of abstract money markets. What a sad, sad level of 'involvement' in humanity that must be.
I suppose the anonomity is easy - not having to face real people - just like that of the smug pontifications of liberal journalists excusing themselves with their pretend 'neutrality'
The defeat of the miner's - of one of the key sections of the organised working class and therefore defense of wider conditions - opened up the chasm that has resulted in the chaos we see today were people don't have real jobs, make real things with real value - were illusions in making a quick buck by 'owning' a bit of property or 'owning' shares or geting stupid levels of 'credit' rather than though our own graft has become the norm. Following on from the lead of those at the top because there was little else on offer (despite the fact we are still working hard like the good little wage slaves we are in practice). And where the rug, finally, gets pulled leaving no real safety net for millions - billions worldwide. And some shameless cunt feels the need to defend the indefensible as a replacement for real feeling and emotion.
Wasn't just the miners who lost that battle. Even sad sacks like Foxy lost something important. (in his case a soul... judging by the weasel words)
You know Foxy - if you were really one of the big fish you defend you would not be wasting your time winding the rest of us up - whatever illusions you may have in yourself, you are just a puppet, a wannabe.
For many of the people involved it still touches a raw nerve 25 years later. I can understand that from the point of view of folk who watched hungry people faced with mounting debt, no heating, their kids even refused school dinners, families torn apart, coppers marching through their villages waving overtime cheques at them when not beating them with impunity, all the old security destroyed except basic human solidarity holding you together.
I can even understand that from the point of view of the ruling class - Thatcher, the cabinet, the coal board coldly planning their battles to defend their class.
But some wanker like Foxy above - some cunt who read a theory out of a book and swallowed it whole who's idea of human emotion is a wind-up on a bulletin board with the advantage of anonimity. A lame defense of people who would treat him as the same sort of pawn and cast him aside when used up. Worse a defense of the very people who have not only destroyed those mining communities but have 25 years later proven themselves capable of destroying an entire societies security, futures, lives - as tens of thousands face job losses and loss of the roof over their families heads at the whims of abstract money markets. What a sad, sad level of 'involvement' in humanity that must be.
I suppose the anonomity is easy - not having to face real people - just like that of the smug pontifications of liberal journalists excusing themselves with their pretend 'neutrality'
The defeat of the miner's - of one of the key sections of the organised working class and therefore defense of wider conditions - opened up the chasm that has resulted in the chaos we see today were people don't have real jobs, make real things with real value - were illusions in making a quick buck by 'owning' a bit of property or 'owning' shares or geting stupid levels of 'credit' rather than though our own graft has become the norm. Following on from the lead of those at the top because there was little else on offer (despite the fact we are still working hard like the good little wage slaves we are in practice). And where the rug, finally, gets pulled leaving no real safety net for millions - billions worldwide. And some shameless cunt feels the need to defend the indefensible as a replacement for real feeling and emotion.
Wasn't just the miners who lost that battle. Even sad sacks like Foxy lost something important. (in his case a soul... judging by the weasel words)
You know Foxy - if you were really one of the big fish you defend you would not be wasting your time winding the rest of us up - whatever illusions you may have in yourself, you are just a puppet, a wannabe.
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