Surprised to see nothing on this. Or search didn't bring anything up. Both possible outcomes are pretty significant: either mass blame of hospital failings on an individual that has ruined her life or another serial killer in the healthcare system. I'm hoping it's the former than latter.
The Trial of Lucy Letby
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Hope is probably the wrong term in such circumstances. Somebody deliberately killing babies is beyond my comprehension. Management blaming workers for failings is something I can compute.
ouirdeaux
Caring, Understanding, Non-judgemental Type
There are any number of cases where medical staff have deliberately killed patients. If you google, you'll be spoilt for choice.
I know it's not something we want to believe happens, but if you think about it, if you're a psychopathic killer, it's logical to get a job in a hospital. You get access to vulnerable people, and questions won't be immediately asked if someone dies.
After a while someone may notice a pattern, and investigate, as appears to be the case here. But I wonder how many times it happens and nobody notices.
Also, discussion of ongoing court cases is generally frowned upon for legal reasons.
I know it's not something we want to believe happens, but if you think about it, if you're a psychopathic killer, it's logical to get a job in a hospital. You get access to vulnerable people, and questions won't be immediately asked if someone dies.
After a while someone may notice a pattern, and investigate, as appears to be the case here. But I wonder how many times it happens and nobody notices.
Also, discussion of ongoing court cases is generally frowned upon for legal reasons.
TBF it's been in and out of the news since 2016 and only come to trial recently. I think it's fine discussing trials (and many are discussed here) as long as posts aren't prejudicial in content.
Indeliblelink
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Yes, I was reading the wikipedia page about Beverly Allitt after seeing this case in the news and was surprised how many other links there were at the bottom of the page to other medical staff convicted of killing patients with injections.
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Yes, I used to work with a guy whose father was attacked by a nurse. He didn't die but was left with serious heath problems as a direct result.
Benjamin Geen - Wikipedia
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Changing the facts
According to various sources there’s a shockingly high number of serial killers active right now, and a really significant number who never get caught.
Medical serial killers are definitely part of that picture.
ouirdeaux I don’t think someone says “I think I want to be a serial killer, I wonder what’s the best way to achieve that…?”and then build the opportunity around the desire. I think medical serial killers are specifically interested in medicine/the medical world as something that is central to … well whatever the fuck it is that makes them a SK.
Someone like Beverly Allit or Shipman probably didn’t plan to kill when they began further education. Their interest in medicine was probably twisted in some way but separate to actual murder in the first instance.
Medical serial killers are definitely part of that picture.
ouirdeaux I don’t think someone says “I think I want to be a serial killer, I wonder what’s the best way to achieve that…?”and then build the opportunity around the desire. I think medical serial killers are specifically interested in medicine/the medical world as something that is central to … well whatever the fuck it is that makes them a SK.
Someone like Beverly Allit or Shipman probably didn’t plan to kill when they began further education. Their interest in medicine was probably twisted in some way but separate to actual murder in the first instance.
SpookyFrank
Float like a caterpillar, sting like a tree
My sister knew the nurse who was falsely accused of the Stepping Hill hospital poisonings. They struck her off in the end for pilfering medical supplies but only after they'd ruined her life by naming her as the suspect, to the point she couldn't safely walk down the street. And of course you'll still get armchair experts who are convinced she was guilty even though they convicted someone else for it.
Sister also gave birth at Stepping Hill a couple of days after the story first broke. She said she felt very safe because the place was overrun with police and forensics types.
Sister also gave birth at Stepping Hill a couple of days after the story first broke. She said she felt very safe because the place was overrun with police and forensics types.
GarveyLives
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Earlier today, the trial judge, Mr Justice Goss, told the jury of seven women and four men which had been deliberating for 76 hours since 10 July 2023, that they could now reach verdicts on which at least 10 of them agree (i.e. majority, rather than unanimous verdicts).
This may assist in now bringing the trial to a conclusion
This may assist in now bringing the trial to a conclusion
And probably the thread given the interest in it.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Been going on for fucking ages, has there been a longer murder trial in the U.K.?
She first got arrested in 2018 so she’s had this hanging over her for five years.
Would be interesting to know if there have been anymore deaths since.
It’s interesting that the jury can’t seem to decide and neither could the prosecutors hence it taking so long to get to court.
GarveyLives
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As matters are considered to be sub judice once legal proceedings become active, one imagines that the fear of committing a statutory contempt of court under the Contempt of Court Act 1981, which criminalises the publication of material which creates a substantial risk that the course of justice in the relevant proceedings would be seriously impeded or prejudiced, would limit what can legally be published on an internet messageboard regarding an ongoing criminal trial.
ouirdeaux
Caring, Understanding, Non-judgemental Type
One may well imagine that the majority of the eminently responsible posters on this site are indeed quivering in fear of breaking the law, and for this reason have refrained from posting.
However, my experience of the internet tells me that there will always be those who will do so, at least until a moderator intervenes and shouts, 'Oi, dickheads, shut up or you're out of here! You're at risk of committing a statutory contempt of court under the Contempt of Court Act 1981!'
However, my experience of the internet tells me that there will always be those who will do so, at least until a moderator intervenes and shouts, 'Oi, dickheads, shut up or you're out of here! You're at risk of committing a statutory contempt of court under the Contempt of Court Act 1981!'
not a trot
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Guilty on 7 counts of murder.
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not a trot
Well-Known Member
22 separate charges.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Not really. 22 days - 22 charges. Fucking horrible horrible job for the jury I would imagine
SpookyFrank
Float like a caterpillar, sting like a tree
The methods involved were among the least-traceable ways of killing someone.
There was no evidence. It was all purely circumstantial. The babies started dying when the hospital started taking very prem and sick babies and the deaths stopped when the hospital stopped taking them.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
So how do they knew she was injecting them with air bubbles/insulin if there's no evidence? Confused. This whole thing is horrendous, I've been sort of following it too.
Anyway, according to DM this is what happened Neonatal nurse Lucy Letby is GUILTY of murdering babies (There's A LOT in that article)
"Manchester Crown Court was told that doctors repeatedly went to hospital managers to blow the whistle but it wasn't until the deaths of two identical triplets in 23 hours in June 2016 that she was finally removed from the ward and the unexpected deaths and collapses stopped."
Anyway, according to DM this is what happened Neonatal nurse Lucy Letby is GUILTY of murdering babies (There's A LOT in that article)
"Manchester Crown Court was told that doctors repeatedly went to hospital managers to blow the whistle but it wasn't until the deaths of two identical triplets in 23 hours in June 2016 that she was finally removed from the ward and the unexpected deaths and collapses stopped."
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