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The Scottish independence referendum polling thread

"Should Scotland be an independent country?"

  • Yes

    Votes: 43 66.2%

  • No

    Votes: 17 26.2%

  • Other

    Votes: 3 4.6%
  • Total voters
    65
  • Poll closed .
Seems to me that the Yes team need to promote more media coverage of the increasing anxiety and (reported) panic within the square mile of the 'dark-star' wrt to an Aye vote. I know, if I had the vote, the thought of discomforting financial capital would act as an additional and gratifying motivator in the ballot booth/"aye-pod".

As soon as there was mention of bank concerns about the value of Sterling(pound:D), interest rate rises and the like the Yes numbers did appear to start climbing significantly.:thumbs:
 
This sort of thing should help...

The Treasury is to clash with the European Union in a last-ditch effort to overturn a draconian cap on bankers’ bonuses, arguing in Europe’s top court that rules limiting rewards are an unjustified intrusion.

Government lawyers will on Monday lay out objections to the rules, which have been widely criticised by those in the City who argue it puts London’s financial sector at a disadvantage to New York’s and Hong Kong’s.

As part of a systematic overhaul of EU banking rules designed to stabilise the financial system, bonuses are being capped at 100pc of banking salaries, or 200pc with shareholder approval.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...st-ditch-effort-to-overturn-EU-bonus-cap.html
 
hipipol said:
do recall that it is UK citizens are bailing out Scottish domiciled banks to the tune of billions
If they are prepared to accept that debt, perfect
The vote to become a cross between Iceland and Slovenia suits the land of my birth well
Trivial, backward and soon to be bankrupt
Bring it on
The sooner the better
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As rational and well constructed an argument as ever
 
hipipol said:
do recall that it is UK citizens are bailing out Scottish domiciled banks to the tune of billions
If they are prepared to accept that debt, perfect
The vote to become a cross between Iceland and Slovenia suits the land of my birth well
Trivial, backward and soon to be bankrupt
Bring it on
The sooner the better
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Do you have a say in the referendum, then?
 
Classic Mail. I will bet good money that its editorial on the day of the vote will be 'Our boys will have died for nothing if you vote yes.'

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Interesting piece about the Scottih Independence opinion polls and their methodology in yesterday's Obs. By Mike Smithson, here.

He points out a couple of technical warnings about how some polls/some samples might risk slightly exaggerating the strength of Yes.

I'm not in denial that Yes has significantly strengthened its position recently, but the above is worth a read anyway ...
 
lol at the tories realising they could lose this one and by the ignominy of electorally speaking, a gnats chuff hair.

To battle stations! pass me the beer mat and we'll doodle out some half arsed devo max proposals, because chaps, saying they won't be allowed to look at the Moon come indy has not worked.
 
not just the tories either, 'red' ed with his interesting border proposals. Armed guards for christrs sake. Outsourced to G4S and three weeks down the line they've shot someone who was trying to get home to sheffield but has a scots accent from his family.
 
Not sure why the queens that bothered either, its not like Yes Scotland will be doing the righteous thing and liquidating all royal lands and assets and distributing them to the people on a 'to need/ to ability' basis.

She'll still be allowed up there to shoot things and wander about looking miserable in a wax jacket.
 
William of Walworth said:
Interesting piece about the Scottih Independence opinion polls and their methodology in yesterday's Obs. By Mike Smithson, here.

He points out a couple of technical warnings about how some polls/some samples might risk slightly exaggerating the strength of Yes.

I'm not in denial that Yes has significantly strengthened its position recently, but the above is worth a read anyway ...
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He's noted elsewhere that the raw data figures for the YG poll had a significant lead for NO, but that the new weighting they adopted 4 polls ago (when the swing they record started) changed that massively in favour of yes. In a sample of 1084 that had 475/538 to YES,they re-weighted to read 514/489 for No. That's essentially re-allocating 10% of the results to from NO to YES. This new weighting is based on place of birth.

Anthony wells is also suggesting (i suspect after this piece was circulated over the weekend) that swings such as this are in reality people from the side on the slide simply not bothering to respond anymore. I checked this against the AV referendum polling and it doesn't seem to fit - but i'm n ot so sure that's such a good comparison. It does seem to ft the Quebec vote though, which may also be a better one to look at for a number of reasons.

Edit: on that Quebec comparison see here.
 
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danny la rouge said:
You mean this sort of thing?

OK, boss. We'll do as you say, boss.

Fuck off, Millie.
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danny la rouge said:
You mean this sort of thing?




OK, boss. We'll do as you say, boss.

Fuck off, Millie.
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Not sure why the Nats are so tetchy about the future border policy of a country it so desperately wants to be a foreign state. The SNP should be first to tell us that England's future border policy is none of their business but they seem to be trying to reassure voters in Scotland with their clairvoyant powers that there won't ever be one. How do they know this and why do they want a sovereign Scottish border force to be manage English immigration? Which would be the consequence of not having a border with England.
 
youngian said:
Not sure why the Nats are so tetchy about the future border policy of a country it so desperately wants to be a foreign state. The SNP should be first to tell us that England's future border policy is none of their business but they seem to be trying to reassure voters in Scotland with their clairvoyant powers that there won't ever be one. How do they know this and why do they want a sovereign Scottish border force to be manage English immigration? Which would be the consequence of not having a border with England.
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theres no reason for a border crises. If people want to move to scotland like what they already do, then they will. Where is the necessity for an internal border here? For some reason I just don't see some mass english immigration into scotland in the case of indy. Why would their be? How would there be? it's not like hordes of min wage zero hour contract workers are going to flock to scotland to sign on in slightly less hostile environs for claimants.
 
Apparently thousands of Orangemen and their supporters from Northern Ireland will flood Edinburgh this Saturday, that can't really go well.
 
treelover said:
Apparently thousands of Orangemen and their supporters from Northern Ireland will flood Edinburgh this Saturday, that can't really go well.
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' And there will be no hooliganism, there will be no vandalism, there will be no bevvying because the world is watching us, and it is our responsibility to conduct ourselves with responsibility, and with dignity, and with maturity.'
There's a concerted effort to ignore this.
 
youngian said:
why do they want a sovereign Scottish border force to be manage English immigration? Which would be the consequence of not having a border with England.
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Not necessarily. The other option is to share England's immigration policy. Does beg some questions, though. If an 'independent' Scotland wants to share a head of state, open border, and currency with the rest of the UK, which effectively means sharing many of its economic, foreign, and immigration policies, among others, that does rather beg the question: what exactly is 'independence'? Sounds rather more like dependence to me.
 
weepiper said:
' And there will be no hooliganism, there will be no vandalism, there will be no bevvying because the world is watching us, and it is our responsibility to conduct ourselves with responsibility, and with dignity, and with maturity.'
There's a concerted effort to ignore this.
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Upper Clyde Work-in, 1972?
 
youngian said:
Not sure why the Nats are so tetchy about the future border policy of a country it so desperately wants to be a foreign state. The SNP should be first to tell us that England's future border policy is none of their business but they seem to be trying to reassure voters in Scotland with their clairvoyant powers that there won't ever be one. How do they know this and why do they want a sovereign Scottish border force to be manage English immigration? Which would be the consequence of not having a border with England.
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I've found in mainland Europe you can often wander from one country into another via another couple of 'em without noticing so I'm not sure why this vote result could mean a massive wall lined with machine gun nests,
 
By the way, is there a moratorium on polls when we get into the final week? Quick search yielded nothing.
 
Wilf said:
By the way, is there a moratorium on polls when we get into the final week? Quick search yielded nothing.
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Ipsos-Mori have one coming out on the 17th. Also an ICM one (I think) due this Thursday
 
weepiper said:
Ipsos-Mori have one coming out on the 17th. Also an ICM one (I think) due this Thursday
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Ah, cheers. Had it in my head that UK General Elections had at least an informal agreement on that. Obviously not (or not adopted for the Ref).
 
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