The Nazis - left wing or right wing?

[ViolentPanda]

Actually Nino. I've long suspected *you* of covertly deploying a top-secret old psy-ops spy and psychological-manipulation trick when you constantly and deliberately always tell people to go away and read Foucault. I wouldn't suggest that you are actively working on behalf of the Institute de Litterature Francais, but your cult-like worship of Foucault is surely designed to stifle proper discussion. And to drive us all mad, of course. But seriously, do you believe in siocialism?

Except, of course, that you have mentioned nino-savatte mentioning Foucault more often that nino-savatte himself has mentioned Foucault.

Would you be guilty of a little myth-making in this matter, hmmmm?

 

[phildwyer]

Except, of course, that you have mentioned nino-savatte mentioning Foucault more often that nino-savatte himself has mentioned Foucault.

Would you be guilty of a little myth-making in this matter, hmmmm?

I shall ignore this blatant trolling and return this thread to its proper topic. If you read pbman's original comments, you will see that he gives an accurate representation of the way east-European "Aryan peasants" (to use his unfortunate term) perceived "Jewish Communists" between the wars. As I say, I'll bet his grandfather was one such peasant. Now, I don't think anyone here is likely to be won over to the opinion of pre-war peasants, or indeed anti-semitism of any kind. But everyone here should be interested to undertsand how and why pre-war peasants associated Communism with Judaism, and how Hitler was able to exploit that association. Why? Because then we can better understand how the holocaust was possible, and be better prepared to avoid another one. Equally, we need to understand how people like pbman have formed their opinions about world politics. Why? Because, like it or not, they run the world...

 

[In Bloom]

an accurate representation of the way east-European "Aryan peasants"

Except that its not even slightly accurate, the vast majority of Eastern European peasants are likely to have been Slavs.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I shall ignore this blatant trolling and return this thread to its proper topic.

Trolling? Ah, I see you're indulging in another bout of avoidance behaviour.

If you read pbman's original comments, you will see that he gives an accurate representation of the way east-European "Aryan peasants" (to use his unfortunate term) perceived "Jewish Communists" between the wars.

So now you're a history professor as well, to be telling us how one group historically perceived another?
The sad thing is that what you're doing is adding a gloss to his comments that aren't part of his usual expressed mode of thought. When he says "Aryan" peasants, that isn't the misconception made by a politically naive person, it's the recitation of a piece of half century-old neo-Nazi "Russians and Americans are really brothers" propaganda that was first promulgated by Francis Parker Yockey, and which finds common currency as a "fact" among the US and FSU far right. To excuse it as an "accurate representation" (in relation to what, exactly?) of how one (class-based) group perceived another (religion-based) group is hokum.

As I say, I'll bet his grandfather was one such peasant.

According to the man himself he's 3rd generation American on the paternal front, with a Swedish mother, which would make it VERY hard for his grandpappy to be an east European peasant, Aryan or otherwise.

Now, I don't think anyone here is likely to be won over to the opinion of pre-war peasants, or indeed anti-semitism of any kind. But everyone here should be interested to undertsand how and why pre-war peasants associated Communism with Judaism, and how Hitler was able to exploit that association. Why?

You know full well why, and it has little to do with the dreck you've posted so far.

Because then we can better understand how the holocaust was possible, and be better prepared to avoid another one. Equally, we need to understand how people like pbman have formed their opinions about world politics. Why? Because, like it or not, they run the world...

Any more reiterations of the obvious that you'd like to make?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Except that its not even slightly accurate, the vast majority of Eastern European peasants are likely to have been Slavs.

And a significant minority (even given the amount who fled west to escape pogroms in that late 19th and early 20th centuries) to have been Slav Jews.

You might be realistically able to define Latvians, Lithuanians and Poles as "Aryan" given that much of their heritage was Germanic/Balt, but in terms of what we're discussing they don't comprise anything approaching a significant minority of the combined populations of "eastern Europe"

As it is, pbman specifically refers to the Ukrainian famines, those caused by Soviet policy formulated by Stalin. Ukraine is, was and ever shall be Slav, the peasants (and members of all other social classes for that matter) who died in the Ukraine were, by vast majority, Slavs, not Aryans, but a race "Aryans" of the ilk the Nazis said they were hated and despised as "sub-human".

 

[Jo/Joe]

Looks like the pb vacuum is being quickly filled.

 

[phildwyer]

You might be realistically able to define Latvians, Lithuanians and Poles as "Aryan" given that much of their heritage was Germanic/Balt...

"Bin gar keine Russin, stamm' aus Litauen, echt Deutsch."

 

[Streathamite]

Well, look at it this way. What sort of employment do you think someone with pbman's literacy skills could expect to find?

he's a self-employed lead paint inspector, who by nhis own avowal is quite comfortably off - and as BA said, he's a landlord.

 

[Streathamite]

Are you horrified by the anti semites who are constantly attacking everything Israel does?

jesus wept.
once again...
to be anti-zionist is NOT to be anti-semitic. It is to be anti-imperialistic, and pro-human rights.

 

[ViolentPanda]

"Bin gar keine Russin, stamm' aus Litauen, echt Deutsch."

I never knew you were female, Phil. I'll bet you're a real old tugboat.

Is Phil short for Philomena, Phyllis, Philippa or Phyllida?

BTW, I doubt "real German" is something you'd recognise, even if it were shitting on your boot, old girl.

 

[Random]

Are you horrified by the anti semites who are constantly attacking everything Israel does?

I'm horrified by PB's statements about 'jewish commies', which mirrors, very closely, racist theories used to justify genocide.

Frankly, I'd say PB is just a troll and we can do without him. Compared to conservatives you can have a real argument with, like Canuck humself, it's just not worth having him around. He pulls down the level of debate in world P+P and whenever he steps beyond it, makes every thread revolve around his own outrageous persona. Like has happend on this thread.

Anyway, that's my 2p

 

[Jo/Joe]

So is pb officially one of our ex's then?

 

[phildwyer]

I never knew you were female, Phil.

Guess I should have known better than to expect you to recognize a well-known line from the most famous English poem of the twentieth century.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Guess I should have known better than to expect you to recognize a well-known line from the most famous English poem of the twentieth century.

I was subjected to the dubious delights of "The Wasteland" at school, and have had no wish to revisit it.

Howver, my old fraud, if you're using a quote to represent your own thoughts or make your own point it makes sense to alter the gender. You could have easily done so by bracketing the "e" in "keine" and amending "russin" to "russer". After all, you weren't deploying the quote in the context Eliot did, and neither were you speaking from a feminine viewpoint

If you don't have the aptitude with the German tongue to be able to do that then you really shouldn't use the language.

As for what you expect, I'm not particularly interested in your prejudices.

 

[Jo/Joe]

Ha ha ha, phildwyer is shit at german.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Ha ha ha, phildwyer is shit at german.

He's egotistical enough to make his entire next post in German in an attempt to prove the point wrong, though!

Just hope he doesn't use babelfish or Google for the job!

 

[Sasaferrato]

Left or right wing?

Bit of both.

It's immaterial though, whether it is a left or right boot on your throat.

The Bolshevik threat was used by Hitler, I have Hitler's birthday stamp issued in 1943 with a cancel which reads:

Unser Fuhrer Bannt Den Bolschewismus.

( Can't do umlauts , before I get picked up for my poor German. )

 

[toggle]

Left or right wing?

Bit of both.

It's immaterial though, whether it is a left or right boot on your throat.

There are no truer words on this thread

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

You too please nino. This thread is too important to be derailed by letting Mr. Planet-sized Ego wind you up.

Nino doesn't need winding up. He comes pre-wound.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I shall ignore this blatant trolling and return this thread to its proper topic. If you read pbman's original comments, you will see that he gives an accurate representation of the way east-European "Aryan peasants" (to use his unfortunate term) ..

Not only unfortunate, but incorrect. Ukranians are Slavs.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I shall ignore this blatant trolling and return this thread to its proper topic. If you read pbman's original comments, you will see that he gives an accurate representation of the way east-European "Aryan peasants" (to use his unfortunate term) ..

Not only unfortunate, but incorrect. Ukranians are Slavs.

Oh, I see In Bloom beat me to it...

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

jesus wept.
once again...
to be anti-zionist is NOT to be anti-semitic. It is to be anti-imperialistic, and pro-human rights.

Jesus wept.
once again...
Judaism is inextricably commingled with zionism and Israel.

 

[toggle]

Jesus wept.
once again...
Judaism is inextricably commingled with zionism and Israel.

Not according to all jews.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Not according to all jews.

Few things meet the test of "according to all [your group's name here]..."

 

[phildwyer]

I was subjected to the dubious delights of "The Wasteland" at school, and have had no wish to revisit it.

Heh, you didn't know it was "The Wasteland" at all, as your initial response clearly shows. You just Googled it, you silly old wanker. Anyway, where's Nino, has he taken his ball home or what?

 

[nino_savatte]

You don't believe I live in the States? Ask the Editor, he's met me in New York. You don't believe I'm fun to drink with? Ask Red Jezza, he's met me in London. You don't believe I was in Mexico (*not* Ecuador, fool) last week? Ask anyone here who knows me, and there are many of them. I believe it is *you* who are the "fraud." You claim to be an American, but your posts on this subject show an utter ignorance of the place. And now you have decided to claim that pbman is "deploying a classic psy-ops trick" by misspelling "socialism." Your agenda here is becoming ever more clear. Frankly, I think you should leave.

I really don't care what you *think* and I have little regard for what you *type*. I don't believe you live in the States and I don't believe you are any kind of academic. I think you are a liar and a fantasist. You are vain, arrogant and full of your own self-importance. In short, you are an enormous waste of space. You pretend to debate but on close r inspection, it is iobvipous for anyone to see that you are on a mission to not only wind up and insult other posters, but you are here to to parade your ego and thus compensate for a deep-seated sense of inferiority.

I don't have to ask the Editor anything. I mean, why should I? Aren't you capable of defending yourself without someone having to vouch for your validity?

 

[nino_savatte]

Nino doesn't need winding up. He comes pre-wound.

Unlike you, my ignorant Canadian friend, I actually use my brain. It's amusing the way you pretend to ignore me but are quite happy to post up crap like this...in an effort to wind me up - it won't work because like phildwyer, I've got your number: you're a liar.

You won't engage me because I have consistently destroyed your weak 'arguments'.

Got anymore planted stories for us?

 

[Ryazan]

Perhaps this should all be taken to task by using to the PM facility. This good thread is becoming ruined by bickering.

 

[nino_savatte]

Looks like the pb vacuum is being quickly filled.

Aye, by an massive ego and a vacuous one (phildwyer and JC2).

 

[nino_savatte]

Perhaps this should all be taken to task by using to the PM facility. This good thread is becoming ruined by bickering.

Well, it was until pbman decided to post anti-semitic shite and then phildwyer decided to grace us with his presence and give us the benefit of his 'wisdom'. As if that wasn't bad enough JC2 has now waded in to give support to both his pet monkey and vainest poster on Urban. One thing this show us is that JC2 has no morals and no conscience.