The Nazis - left wing or right wing?
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FridgeMagnet said:
I said jewish commies, and that was in response to the blather about marx being jewish, so he couldn't possibly be anti-semitic.................
And the whle point of that was all the anti-semetic shit in socalist/communist parties at the time.
Its well known but people still tr5y to deny it.
sihhi said:Are you suggesting Karl Marx was anti-semitic?
Looks like it to me.
And his buddy engles looks pretty nationalistic as well.
"True, it is a fixed idea with the French that the Rhine is their property, but to this arrogant demand the only reply worthy of the German nation is Arndt's: "Give back Alsace and Lorraine". For I am of the opinion, perhaps in contrast to many whose standpoint I share in other respects, that the reconquest of the German-speaking left bank of the Rhine is a matter of national honour, and that the Germanisation of a disloyal Holland and of Belgium is a political necessity for us. Shall we let the German nationality be completely suppressed in these countries, while the Slavs are rising ever more powerfully in the East?"
Have a look at the headline quote above and say who wrote it. It is a typical Hitler rant, is it not? Give it to 100 people who know Hitler's speeches and 100 would identify it as something said by Adolf. The fierce German nationalism and territorial ambition is unmistakeable. And if there is any doubt, have a look at another quote from the same author:
This is our calling, that we shall become the templars of this Grail, gird the sword round our loins for its sake and stake our lives joyfully in the last, holy war which will be followed by the thousand-year reign of freedom.
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id9.html
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I think I'm reaching the absolute limits of my tolerance with you here, so don't be surprised if I decide to boot you out shortly.pbman said:
There's only so many endless cut'n'pastes, FAQ-busting images and outrageously inflammatory statements I can bear to have on my boards at any given time, you see.
You can blame it on my supposedly inherent "self loathing", if you like.
pbman said:In response to the blather that marx was a jew, and couldn't possibly be anti-semitic.
Lots of lefties are self-loathing.
Its almost a requirement.
I've read about Soviet Jews despising Iron Lazaar and his involvement with Stalin's government, but that is merely anecdotal.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
pbman said:
Been reading your copy of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" again, halfwit?
Riiight, there's real historical proof (rather than fact-free conspiracy-tastic rightwing bullshit) that communism was a Jewish conspiracy, is there?
Let's have it then, you vile Jew-hating cowardly piece of pigshit.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Bernie Gunther said:
Vile, isn't it?
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
A lot of the US right are starting to come a bit unglued, especially since Katrina. They'd managed to maintain discipline about keeping the racist stuff quiet for the first half of the Bush 2 regime, but during the aftermath of Katrina, the genie escaped from the bottle. Now as their problems mount over the war, Libby's indictment and the high probability of more indictments, they're starting to lose control of their sphincters and all kinds of racist shit is dribbing out.ViolentPanda said:Vile, isn't it?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Jo/Joe said:
Uh-huh.
A year ago he didn't have an opinion on abortion, now "it's murder". There's some hardline retrenchment going on in the US right, and it isn't progressive, working out where they've gone wrong and changing their trajectory to match, but a regressive slide into the vilest type of political and religious fundamentalism. That sick anti-Semitic shit that pbman came out with earlier is the same stuff that Yockey and Rockwell were spewing 40-50 years ago, and that has been discredited by academic historians (rather than the ideologically partisan pseudo-historians pbman reads) since its first public utterance.
So the economic crisis in German society had nothing to do with it? Resentment from the right towards the Weimar republic over the treaty of Versailles was incidental? It is true that part of the reason the middle classes supported Hitler was fear of working class revolt, but it happens to be the slightest bit more complex than that.pbman said:
Nice posing.
But the very actions of the communists brought hitler to power.
As most every school child knows.
Also, aryan peasants in the Ukraine? Have you been smoking crack peebs? Do you have any idea how the Nazis treated Slavic peasants in the areas that they conquered? Do you have even the slightest conception of the fact that "Aryan" didn't just mean white, non-Jewish?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
In Bloom said:
The Nazis slaughtered Christian and Jewish Ukrainians alike, even many of the Ukrainians who had seen the Nazi invasion as a method to cast off the Soviet yoke and fought against Soviet forces to facilitate the invasion.
The Nazis had already, by the mid-thirties, determined which of the national populations could be "saved", which is why they made an effort to salvage ethnic German enclaves in Poland etc, and "Germanic" populations such as the Scands, but Slavs? Not a chance, Slavs were never viewed as "Aryan". The Slavs (those that weren't Jews) were to become a slave race, as supposedly befitted their stage of human development.
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
toggle said:
"and that question goes to <buzzer> Poland"
*and Ukraine too, well mentioned, VP
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
pbman said:
No, dictatorial leaders like Lenin killed millions of people - if you actually knew the first thing about Marx's communism you'd know there is a massive difference.
You're just so ignorant its not even funny anymore.
Edit - Stalin was to Communism what PB is to Christianity - an extreme perversion.
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