The Nazis - left wing or right wing?

[butchersapron]

Pbman tries to analyse Marx!

You have absolutley no chance of understanding what that text concerns - that is emancipation as as a human.

You do know he was Jewish right?

 

[toggle]

Exactly, populist, not specifically right or left. What pbman fails to grasp is that Hitler's secret to sucess was his mass appeal. If you only look at one side (e.g. his promises to the middle classes or his promise of a National Health Service) then you don't have a complete picture.

To me, the most important thing was his setting out of what made a person deserving of these rights, exclusive to the group that he defined. Excluding many of the peopole who would otherwise have been loyal to him. A very effective them and us situation, in a society where both 'them' and 'us' considered themselves integrated.

When you ignore the race bollocks, there really isn't anything there that is that difficult for the vast majority of the population to stomach. Whwen you look at the similarity between this and what some of the nationalist parties are peddling today, how easily many people are falling for it again, and where Germany ended up, it is shit scary.

 

[pbman]

Pbman tries to analyse Marx!

You have absolutley no chance of understanding what that text concerns - that is emancipation as as a human.

You do know he was Jewish right?

I didn't bother analizing it.

It could have been hitler or marx who said that.

And that was my point.

NIce to see you know it was marx thou...........

 

[butchersapron]

No, it couldn't have been hitler - not when you read the entire text (and realise that Marx was jewish himself).

 

[In Bloom]

Don't be silly.

Who do you think said this?

1. Marx was, as butchers pointed out, Jewish himself
2. Marx was talking about the ultimate meaninglessness of the Jewish faith, how it ultimately serves the interests of capital, not making any kind of racial argument, he is talking about class

 

[fishfingerer]

1. Marx was, as butchers pointed out, Jewish himself
2. Marx was talking about the ultimate meaninglessness of the Jewish faith, how it ultimately serves the interests of capital, not making any kind of racial argument, he is talking about class

3. AH believed communism to be a jewish plot.

 

[Jo/Joe]

Liberalism, socialism and communism promised to take care of everyone, irrespective of their ability to work, along with their children. (Marxism had the slogan, "From each according to his abilities to each according to his needs.") That raised a distinct possibility that, once it gained power, their government would be overwhelmed not merely by too great a quantity of people (Malthus), but all by too many people of too low a quality to be useful to society (the eugenic application of Darwin). Their ideal society would be swamped by millions who would live off others and do little more than breed yet more people as incompetent as themselves. The result would be a eugenic disaster as terrible as any in the warnings of Malthus. In their advocacy of eugenics, birth control and sterilization, that disaster was what those on the left were trying to prevent.

Thanks for this idiotic quote pbman. Name a single society that has just let the weak die? HUmans have been looking after each other since prehistory. It is not liberalism or socialism that will cause Malthusian resource problems, but our ability to live longer. That is due to the increase in scientific knowledge. Eugenics has been advocated by all sorts of societies for all sorts of reasons.

 

[pbman]

1. Marx was, as butchers pointed out, Jewish himself
2. Marx was talking about the ultimate meaninglessness of the Jewish faith, how it ultimately serves the interests of capital, not making any kind of racial argument, he is talking about class

Means nothing.

Hitler was also jewish.

AT least by his own diffenition of having a jewish grandmother.

 

[In Bloom]

Means nothing.

Hitler was also jewish.

AT least by his own diffenition of having a jewish grandmother.

With the minor difference that Marx never denied his Jewish background. That and A SYSTEMATIC CAMPAIGN OF GENOCIDE

Anyway, you have ignored half of my post. What about my second point?

 

[pbman]

Thanks for this idiotic quote pbman. Name a single society that has just let the weak die? .

Communism.

They helped them along actualy in the tens of millions, of poor farmers they let die and kill.

 

[pbman]

With the minor difference that Marx never denied his Jewish background. That and A SYSTEMATIC CAMPAIGN OF GENOCIDE

Anyway, you have ignored half of my post. What about my second point?

That genocide was provoced by the jewish commie genoicde in the 30's.

Marx was talking about the ultimate meaninglessness of the Jewish faith, how it ultimately serves the interests of capital, not making any kind of racial argument, he is talking about class

Its' no point, just old time commie spin.

 

[Jo/Joe]

Thank you for contradicting the point you are trying to make.

Of course capitalist societies don't let people die by resisting safety regulations (e.g. Hatfield rail incident in UK), promoting and selling dreadful diets, polluting water supplies, etc, etc do they?

 

[In Bloom]

That genocide was provoced by the jewish commie genoicde in the 30's.

Oh dear

What are you talking about now?

Its' no point, just old time commie spin.

No, it's fairly fucking obvious that the passage you quoted wasn't anti-semitic, especially in context of even the most cursory reading of his other work. Don't try to talk Marx here pbman, you'll only end up looking like a twat.

 

[Ryazan]

Point 16.

Nah, fuckem.

 

[Ryazan]

Don't try to talk Marx here pbman, you'll only end up looking like a twat.

But you yourself have admitted only being able to read properly the Manifesto, and have struggled through Capital.

 

[pbman]

Thank you for contradicting the point you are trying to make.

Of course capitalist societies don't let people die by resisting safety regulations (e.g. Hatfield rail incident in UK), promoting and selling dreadful diets, polluting water supplies, etc, etc do they?

I gave you a dirrect commie gov't that let die/killed millions and thats all you have?

 

[pbman]

Oh dear

What are you talking about now?


No, it's fairly fucking obvious that the passage you quoted wasn't anti-semitic, especially in context of even the most cursory reading of his other work. Don't try to talk Marx here pbman, you'll only end up looking like a twat.

lol

Make you point then or scurry off.

But a vauge refernce to his other writing doesn't cut it in the real world

 

[Jo/Joe]

I gave you a dirrect commie gov't that let die/killed millions and thats all you have?

Oh please. How many deaths has the US govt been responsible for over the years? And the UK during it's imperial years? And none of this in the severe conditions faced by Russia/USSR.

 

[pbman]

Oh dear

What are you talking about now?
.

The nazi persicution/genocide of the jews was brought on by the jewish commies murdering ten's of million of aryan peasants.

Or did you think the germans didn't knotice what stalin and his minions did in the 1920s and 30's>

Among these monstrous crimes, Ukraine stands out as the worst in terms of numbers. Stalin declared war on his own people in 1932, sending Commissars V. Molotov and Lazar Kaganovitch and NKVD secret police chief Genrikh Yagoda to crush the resistance of Ukrainian farmers to forced collectivization.

Ukraine was sealed off. All food supplies and livestock were confiscated. NKVD death squads executed "anti-party elements." Furious that insufficient Ukrainians were being shot, Kaganovitch - virtually the Soviet Union's Adolf Eichmann - set a quota of 10,000 executions a week. Eighty percent of Ukrainian intellectuals were shot.

During the bitter winter of 1932-33, 25,000 Ukrainians per day were being shot or died of starvation and cold. Cannibalism became common. Ukraine, writes historian Robert Conquest, looked like a giant version of the future Bergen-Belsen death camp.

The mass murder of seven million Ukrainians, three million of them children, and deportation to the gulag of two million more (where most died) was hidden by Soviet propaganda. Pro-communist westerners, like The New York Times' Walter Duranty, British writers Sidney and Beatrice Webb and French Prime Minister Edouard Herriot, toured Ukraine, denied reports of genocide, and applauded what they called Soviet "agrarian reform." Those who spoke out against the genocide were branded "fascist agents."

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/forgotton_holocaust.html

 

[pbman]

Oh please. How many deaths has the US govt been responsible for over the years? And the UK during it's imperial years? And none of this in the severe conditions faced by Russia/USSR.

FAr short of that.

Were talking about heap's and heaps of stinking bodies.

 

[Jo/Joe]

The nazi persicution/genocide of the jews was brought on by the jewish commies murdering ten's of million of aryan peasants.

And where did you hear that? Stormfront? Aryan were they?

 

[butchersapron]

And where did you hear that? Stormfront? Aryan were they?

Ah, but he's so polite. Never mind the naked racism and far-right bollocks expressed in the quoted post. At least he's not rude.

 

[Jo/Joe]

FAr short of that.

What sort of figure would you say? You can include the Africans who will die of Aids as a result of Georgie's anti-condom policies if you want.

 

[pbman]

And where did you hear that? Stormfront? Aryan were they?

lol

Commies murder tens of millions of people and you think its a secret?

Its well known in the us, i don't know about your leftwing paradise.....

 

[pbman]

What sort of figure would you say? You can include the Africans who will die of Aids as a result of Georgie's anti-condom policies if you want.

They reclassified every death in africa as aids.

And they don't do any testing to prove what they died of.

And in spite of several hundred years of european colonialism, its all bush's fault.

 

[toggle]

They reclassified every death in africa as aids.

And they don't do any testing to prove what they died of.

And in spite of several hundred years of european colonialism, its all our fault.

So you deny that Aids is a problem in Africa as well?

 

[Jo/Joe]

Ah, but he's so polite. Never mind the naked racism and far-right bollocks expressed in the quoted post. At least he's not rude.

Yeah, I do watch my language around him in case I cause offence.

 

[editor]

The nazi persicution/genocide of the jews was brought on by the jewish commies murdering ten's of million of aryan peasants.

So the Jews "deserved it", yes?

I think your time on these boards may be over chum.

 

[editor]

They reclassified every death in africa as aids.

Evidence for this remarkable claim, please?

 

[pbman]

So you deny that Aids is a problem in Africa as well?

lol

TRy read, and telling me how many people in africa are actually proven to have died of aids.

When you guys play games with the numbers, its you who hurts your own cause, as no one knows for sure whats going on.