On the substance, I think kyser's post is the most informative and sensible 
The human rights act
- Thread starter flicy
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Well it does look like that doesn't it.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
Only if you're thick.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Examples?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Examples?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Yep. Hannan and his chum, Carswell, have had more influence on the party than many people realise.
Nutshell time! 
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
People like XR75 and flicy don't do "examples" or evidence.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
go on then...
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Thing is, look through my posts and if I make a claim, I tend to back it up with hard evidence, or produced said evidence when asked. You, you just shit your prejudices out and then fuck off. flicy, so far, has done much the same.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
I thought it had been a while since XR75 had last appeared with his latest bit of fly-by shite.
Now where's Kenny Vermouth to make it a trio?
Now where's Kenny Vermouth to make it a trio?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
He's got his hands full giving xr75 and flicy handjobs so he can't type at present.
These laws are not made by people you don't know.. they are made by people who are employed by the MEP elected in your area.. if you don't know who he or she is then you are a twat!.. as is the same in the UK government all laws made by the EU have to voted in by the majority of MEP's
I stand corrected..fair enough
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
An MEP has even less power than a Labour backbencher. Even if the EP votes down a poolicy proposal by the Commission, it can still become EU law.
gosub - the 1689 Bill of Rights is one of the many documents & 'conventions' & 'traditions' that make up what small 'c' conservatives laughingly refer to as our 'unwritten constitution'. It's never been a 'safeguard' of anyone's right to do anything in law, only as long as parliament & the courts chooses to recognise them as such.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
fucking humans and thier damn rights.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
yes, they do, actually
gosub
~#
EP doesn't do policy, it purely does budgets.
Bill of Rights was not civil war (misremembered sorry) it was the velvet revolution to get rid of fucking Stewarts, the sop offered by William of Orange to show that he got it, ie Parliament was in charge. Its the safeguard against unaccountable dictatorship, was then is now, though to get aspergic has right of petition without fear of reprisal in it. Other than that we appear to be in agreement, though from the opposite ends of the philosophical spectrum. Your nation state (I think) is a top down affair with rights and responsibilities given to the populus like crumbs from a table. Mines bottom up and isn't particularly enamoured with the assumption of unaccountable decree. If I had a written constitution it would be written to establish the boundaries for the state, as is the US constitution.
eg Miranda rights: If "You have to remain silent" was the ascribed right, state would still have no problems tacking on the refusing to do so counting against you, as opposed to the 5th amendment.
Looking this up, found ECHR "Judges acknowledged that both men had faced compulsion to provide information, but threw out their claim that the right to remain silent and the right not to incriminate oneself are "absolute rights". ". V Weird for me didn't know about the case, have met one of the defendants
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Are we talknig about physical geography here, or our views on the UK?
Re: that example - I suspect that the wording of that judgement was a cover for 'Don't take the piss, you broke the law and were caught and are attempting to use HR legislation as a way out of it.' I think Liberty were barking up a very wrong tree there, but then I'm not a big fan of people who speed, get caught, and they cry about it.
gosub
~#
wtf?
Are you refering to the fact I now live in Scotland and that north is usually at the top of maps, coz that seems deliberately obtuse, particuarly as the words directly before the quote you took are "philisophical spectrum". The only thing I know about the Scotish legal system is not to assume it's the same as the English
Are you refering to the fact I now live in Scotland and that north is usually at the top of maps, coz that seems deliberately obtuse, particuarly as the words directly before the quote you took are "philisophical spectrum". The only thing I know about the Scotish legal system is not to assume it's the same as the English
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
In which case, aside from the immediate meaning of the top-down/bottom-up bit, I have no idea what that sentence means in the context of what we've been writing. What is 'my' nation state?
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
iirc, trolls post then run away, leaving us to chase our tails.
When was it anything to do with that.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Well?
_angel_
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The clue is in the thread title. Which parts do you disagree with?
likesfish
You can't park here sir
the bill of rights gave us the right to be tooled up so basically that didn't last long 
its been confused like health and safety law.
A lot of stuff that ended up in court under human rights was people being wankers being called on it and continued to be wankers even when they knew they lwould lose.
its been confused like health and safety law.
A lot of stuff that ended up in court under human rights was people being wankers being called on it and continued to be wankers even when they knew they lwould lose
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