The Dominic Cummings file

[mauvais]

The best thing Boris can hope for now is "new" info coming to light - the Barnard Castle outing is proved for example - which will allow him to say - well the goalposts have been moved now - I was loyal on Sunday but have been let down. His pride needs that get out of jail card, and those around him will be sniffing out a way to get him to play it.

This ought to be bollocks though. New info emerging isn't a thing in itself. Photo evidence or whatever should not change anything because it shouldn't be new, merely confirmation. In particular Johnson should have asked Cummings about the whole thing and got an account, so even what the public newly learns should not be new.

The situation as understood by Johnson would need to change and this means Cummings would have had to have believably lied to him. Therefore Cummings would need to be outed as a liar. This isn't going to happen.

This of course all assumes that people are held to account in a sensible way and that's probably not realistic.

 

[Chilli.s]

What I like about this is the "I'm right at all costs and to admit mistakes is to fail" highbar that they've set themselves. And how fuckin stupidly it undermines most of the sacrifice and effort others have made. Thats real blue sky thinking, thoughts that should have been left just there, pie in the sky.

 

[Petcha]

It's not difficult for the cops to trace his mobile phone and even the GPS in his car, surely?

 

[mauvais]

It's not difficult for the cops to trace his mobile phone and even the GPS in his car, surely?

They need a warrant, and for what?

 

[NoXion]

Can we please try not to conflate 'autistic' with 'sociopath' please? We're not pitching another Sherlock Holmes reboot here.

I understood that post to be a jab at the idea that Cummings should be allowed to get away for breaking the rules, on the basis of his spawn having a condition that many other people's children have.

Or maybe that's just my autism.

 

[bimble]

Cummings would need to be outed as a liar. This isn't going to happen.

Yes this but why will it not happen? I think it’s quite possible, might look like the least worst option remaining in a couple of days because of the sequence of stupid decisions they’ve made.

 

[Petcha]

They need a warrant, and for what?

Well, on suspicion of breaching the Coronavirus Act 2020 I would have thought

 

[mauvais]

Yes this but why will it not happen? I think it’s quite possible, might look like the least worst option in a couple of days.

Why would Cummings allow this to happen, especially if it wasn't true? This is much worse than merely having to resign for breaching lockdown, which he presumably also hasn't allowed.

 

[mauvais]

Well, on suspicion of breaching the Coronavirus Act 2020 I would have thought

I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me that this would be disproportionate to the effort expended on other random people's breaches where they get a warning or a fine. Depending on what he's said and done, this episode could potentially turn into something more serious like perverting the course of justice, at which point sure, but we haven't seen any evidence of that yet.

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

Can we please try not to conflate 'autistic' with 'sociopath' please? We're not pitching another Sherlock Holmes reboot here.

sociopathic is not trending on twitter though. I don't get the link.

 

[NoXion]

Why would Cummings allow this to happen, especially if it wasn't true? This is much worse than merely having to resign for breaching lockdown, which he presumably also hasn't allowed.

Regardless of the truth of the matter, I think Johnson's refusal to sack him has reinforced (and in many cases, created) the perception that it's Cummings who holds the reins of power. Johnson has made himself look weak.

 

[Roadkill]

Hmm...

 

[fakeplasticgirl]

Yes platinumsage who told you?

platinumsage did you hear it on lbc too?

 

[NoXion]

Funny how having an autistic child is good enough to excuse the transgressions of a eugenicist advisor to the PM, but not good enough for the government to actually provide meaningful resources in terms of health and social care to parents in general.

Utterly revolting, autism is not a fucking shield for shitty behaviour. For anyone.

 

[phillm]

Coronavirus: NHS doctor threatens to resign if Dominic Cummings does not

Dr Dominic Pimenta said Mr Cummings staying "spits in the face" of all NHS workers' efforts to help treat COVID-19 patients.

news.sky.com

 

[The39thStep]

It's not difficult for the cops to trace his mobile phone and even the GPS in his car, surely?

Would this be a proprtionate use of resources and investigation for what would probably end up as a fixed penalty or small fine?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Just about to take the dog for a walk around the Devils Punchbowl, will pass by Jeremy Hunt’s office on the way; am I allowed to lob a brick through the window now, cos, you know, fatherly instincts?

 

[cupid_stunt]

So, we are up to 16 Tory MPs calling for him to go, not nearly enough, hopefully that figure will raise a lot higher today, when they check their e-mails.

 

[Lord Camomile]

No PMQs this week, but Johnson is scheduled to appear in front of the Liaison Committee on Wednesday, who my friend says he's been dodging ever since being elected leader. Apparently some on the committee have already come out against Cummings, so could be interesting...

 

[MickiQ]

Just about to take the dog for a walk around the Devils Punchbowl, will pass by Jeremy Hunt’s office on the way; am I allowed to lob a brick through the window now, cos, you know, fatherly instincts?

Write "Cummings Must Go" on it first

 

[gentlegreen]

Funny how having an autistic child is good enough to excuse the transgressions of a eugenicist advisor to the PM, but not good enough for the government to actually provide meaningful resources in terms of health and social care to parents in general.

Utterly revolting, autism is not a fucking shield for shitty behaviour. For anyone.

I know there's no justification for conflating autism and sociopathy (I test as on the spectrum myself), but just wondering ...

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me that this would be disproportionate to the effort expended on other random people's breaches where they get a warning or a fine. Depending on what he's said and done, this episode could potentially turn into something more serious like perverting the course of justice, at which point sure, but we haven't seen any evidence of that yet.

They done it to Doeeen Lawrence when no one had remotely suggested she had committed any offence...

 

[phillm]

 

[A380]

They need a warrant, and for what?

Not to get his Phone location data they don’t. They need an authorising officer to give authority. And that’s a middle management cop who’s been on a course.

 

[Sprocket.]

Just about to take the dog for a walk around the Devils Punchbowl, will pass by Jeremy Hunt’s office on the way; am I allowed to lob a brick through the window now, cos, you know, fatherly instincts?

As I have pointed out to other budding brick layers, wash your hands afterwards.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Driven out? In a prime ministerial Jag?

 

[frogwoman]

Driven out? Lol.

 

[mauvais]

Not to get his Phone location data they don’t. They need an authorising officer to give authority. And that’s a middle management cop who’s been On a course.

Really? On what grounds?

 

[chilango]

Serious, but cynical, question: Why do people (on here) want the Conservatives to clean up their mess here?

Surely, the longer they try and ride this out the better?

#cummingsmuststay

 

[maomao]

Just about to take the dog for a walk around the Devils Punchbowl, will pass by Jeremy Hunt’s office on the way; am I allowed to lob a brick through the window now, cos, you know, fatherly instincts?

Obliged to I would have thought. Our hopes and fears go with you.