The Dominic Cummings file

[chilango]

lost....in 4 years time?

Yeah

Was just about to post a "so what?" wet blanket.

Let's say Cummings goes.

...and Johnson goes.

Well?

Gove or someone PM for the next 4 1/2 years isn't much of a result is it?

Nah. Fuck this Westminster stuff. The only win we'll get out of this is if it's spills out of politics and onto the streets.

 

[phillm]

It's a bit early to call an election, true, but I do think what we are seeing is long-term damage. A lot worse than Brown's hot mic thing, for instance.

problem is they get rid of the Johnson cabal they get to do a reset being their own perpetual government and virtual opposition.

 

[Raheem]

problem is they get rid of the Johnson cabal they get to do a reset being their own perpetual government and virtual opposition.

Yes, but I don't see it happening so far, and it's not just Johnson. They've all dipped their hands in the shit over this.

 

[Tankus]

Phil Collins is innocent

 

[magneze]

Yep a formal address from Johnson will clear it all up. The last one went well.

 

[planetgeli]

What makes Cummings irreplaceable is that he has seen to it that there is no-one else. In the past, there has always been a team of senior advisors in Downing Street. You could easily lose one, have the others cover the work and bring someone else in. But no-one else now has Cummings' seniority. There's no-one to stand in and no team for a replacement to fit into. If he goes, there's an almighty vacuum and ensuing chaos.

It might not be so bad if there was a Prime Minister capable of making decisions, but Johnson is never going to do the reading and listening that would require. Losing Cummings would be like losing a Prime Minister, and yet still having one.

Nobody is irreplaceable and many are saying outright now that Cummings is not indispensable. The Tories care about one thing only and that is winning elections. Chaos is not a Spad having to step down however big the ego. No ego is bigger than the party. This is why you are now getting Daily Mail front pages like the one posted above.

You are overplaying the 'almighty vacuum'. Chaos is when the Tories are constantly 15% behind in the polls (September 1981 from which we got a Cabinet reshuffle, redirection, and ultimately the Falklands War, and November 1990 when we got Thatcher being kicked out). Chaos is not being ahead by 15% in the polls like today. However, chaos may well be made by 'loyalty' being shown above and beyond what the party perceives the public can take in all reasonableness.

Hence that front page.

 

[phillm]

 

[planetgeli]

Yeah

Was just about to post a "so what?" wet blanket.

Let's say Cummings goes.

...and Johnson goes.

Well?

Gove or someone PM for the next 4 1/2 years isn't much of a result is it?

Nah. Fuck this Westminster stuff. The only win we'll get out of this is if it's spills out of politics and onto the streets.

The streets are politics. I assume you meant to say Westminster.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Still got The Sun

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Showing the same innate feel for the pulse of the nation as they did on 4th May 1982 and on 19th April 1989.

 

[Raheem]

Nobody is irreplaceable and many are saying outright now that Cummings is not indispensable. The Tories care about one thing only and that is winning elections. Chaos is not a Spad having to step down however big the ego. No ego is bigger than the party. This is why you are now getting Daily Mail front pages like the one posted above.

You are overplaying the 'almighty vacuum'. Chaos is when the Tories are constantly 15% behind in the polls (September 1981 from which we got a Cabinet reshuffle, redirection, and ultimately the Falklands War, and November 1990 when we got Thatcher being kicked out). Chaos is not being ahead by 15% in the polls like today. However, chaos may well be made by 'loyalty' being shown above and beyond what the party perceives the public can take in all reasonableness.

Hence that front page.

I'm not talking about chaos in terms of polling or intra/inter-party politics, though. Without Cummings, the machinery of government can't function. Not because he's a genius, but just because he is playing an essential role and there's no-one else who can easily be fitted into his position. There would be no-one to advise the Prime Minister, and he's not someone who can adapt to that, so he'd be toast.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Still got The Sun

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Not The Scottish Sun, mind.

 

[planetgeli]

I'm not talking about chaos in terms of polling or intra/inter-party politics, though. Without Cummings, the machinery of government can't function. Not because he's a genius, but just because he is playing an essential role and there's no-one else who can easily be fitted into his position. There would be no-one to advise the Prime Minister.

It is nothing like the crisis you are making it out to be. There are plenty of people and a party machinery prepared to offer other options.

 

[gosub]

Not The Scottish Sun, mind.

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Well they couldn't use school coz they ain't opening in Scotland til August

 

[Raheem]

It is nothing like the crisis you are making it out to be. There are plenty of people and a party machinery prepared to offer other options.

Very sure about that. An array of competing options, just not options that will support continuity.

 

[MrSki]

 

[phillm]

The whole world and his dog warned about Johnson - the uber bumbling narcissist lazy idiot and it would unravel PDQ at the first whiff of cordite. At least he has united the nation briefly in derision and utter contempt and disgust. In his favour, he hasn't started a war yet.

 

[MrSki]

 

[Raheem]

The whole world and his dog warned about Johnson - the uber bumbling narcissist idiot and it would unravel PDQ at the first whiff of cordite. At least he has united the nation briefly in derision and utter contempt and disgust.

In fairness, he is keeping his promises. A new hospital in every major city and a country finally finding common ground.

 

[chilango]

The streets are politics. I assume you meant to say Westminster.

Yeah

 

[2hats]

Cummings car on the other hand is a different matter altogether, Cars are uniquely identifiable if you can read the number plate.

Sky News’ North of England Correspondent:

 

[phillm]

Alexander Boris Pffel Johnson, struggling for breath as he walks to open his second bottle of Claret for the night and tries to drown out his current baby's cries and Carries insistent, persistent nag he briefly and dimly remembers another life seemingly a million years ago when the worse that could happen was to hide in a fridge. How he yearns for those days. never to return, hoisted, kippered and ultimately destroyed on his own petard. Be careful what you wish for…

 

[mauvais]

I know Twitter is a little echo chamber of whatever you subscribe to and thus of no real import but tonight it is 100% about this, 100% livid. I've never seen it so aligned about anything. It's beautiful.

The fucking Bishop of Manchester is after them.

 

[two sheds]

Alexander Boris Pffel Johnson, struggling for breath as he walks to open his second bottle of Claret for the night and tries to drown out his current baby's cries and Carries insistent, persistent nag he briefly and dimly remembers another life seemingly a million years ago when the worse that could happen was to hide in a fridge. How he yearns for those days. never to return, hoisted, kippered and ultimately destroyed on his own petard. Be careful what you wish for…

I can't tell the difference between real and pixelled parody any more

 

[rubbershoes]

Coincidentally I just read this in a Guardian story here



Nothing about autism however. Perhaps some dot joining is taking place.

still no reason why SIL couldn't help

 

[Sprocket.]

Again as Jonathan Hallam former No.10 director of communication said earlier.
As Richard Nixon found out, it’s not the offence that brings you down, it’s the attempted cover-up.

 

[phillm]

I can't tell the difference between real and pixelled parody any more

 

[two sheds]

No I'm old remember not sure what I'm seeing there.

 

[Raheem]

I know Twitter is a little echo chamber of whatever you subscribe to and thus of no real import but tonight it is 100% about this, 100% livid. I've never seen it so aligned about anything. It's beautiful.

The fucking Bishop of Manchester is after them.

I've heard of the baby-eating Bishop of Bath and Wells, but...

 

[phillm]

No I'm old remember not sure what I'm seeing there.

That was the old world before the virus hit...

 

[two sheds]

Ahhhhh


well I know it's kicked off elsewhere but i must say today's the most I've laughed since the start of lockdown. So thank you Boris, thank you Dominic but most of all .... thank you urban