Mogden
I like tea
Casts doubt though surely. Seems like a silly thing to compose a fiction about such an event, on her part I mean.
The Dominic Cummings file
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Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
I think the cat is out of the bag on Cummings; he's never getting away with this. One way or another he's screwed. The whole thing is of a different order to most of their bullshitting, it's personal for people from all political strands. Fintan O'Toole makes a good argument about this in the Guardian.
www.theguardian.com
It's a fatal blunder. Or at least a serious self-inflicted blow to this administration, and the Tories more widely. Politicians trade on their (usually prentence of) integrity, of being 'on our side'. It's the powerful's old enemy hubris biting them hard.
Cummings’ contempt for lockdown rules makes the public feel like fools | Fintan O’Toole
The Catholic church in Ireland lost power by flouting the morals it prescribed. The Tory government risks a similar fate, says Irish Times columnist Fintan O’Toole
It's a fatal blunder. Or at least a serious self-inflicted blow to this administration, and the Tories more widely. Politicians trade on their (usually prentence of) integrity, of being 'on our side'. It's the powerful's old enemy hubris biting them hard.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the master criminal always makes one fatal error and his was not to coordinate the lies with his wife
Jeremiah18.17
Well-Known Member
That is encouraging yes.I think the cat is out of the bag on Cummings; he's never getting away with this. One way or another he's screwed. The whole thing is of a different order to most of their bullshitting, it's personal for people from all political strands. Fintan O'Toole makes a good argument about this in the Guardian.
Cummings’ contempt for lockdown rules makes the public feel like fools | Fintan O’Toole
The Catholic church in Ireland lost power by flouting the morals it prescribed. The Tory government risks a similar fate, says Irish Times columnist Fintan O’Toole
It's a fatal blunder. Or at least a serious self-inflicted blow to this administration, and the Tories more widely. Politicians trade on their (usually prentence of) integrity, of being 'on our side'. It's the powerful's old enemy hubris biting them hard.
But what is the mechanism by which they will be held to account?
From where does the threat come, not just to Cummings and Johnson, but to the wider project that they are merely the current UK frontmen for?
planetgeli
There's no future in England's dreaming
Sorry, I really don't want to keep this debate going but I am going to point out that the only thing on that list that merits real trouble for him if caught is the public money to a mistress. I know you think you've made a long list there and it's got a lot of likes but really, that's nowhere near anything majorly illegal apart from the one I mentioned. It might be morally reprehensible to fuck a dead pig but it's not illegal.
How about malfeasance, embezzlement, obstruction of justice, abuse of power, drug dealing?
Not for one minute that I'm saying Johnson has committed any of these things. No, of course not. No. Not me.
But it doesn't take much imagination to go further than letterboxes and bum boys.
elbows
Well-Known Member
Pandemic pandemonium.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Yep.
Bit dishonest of teuchter there, as you would expect from a Tory.
Humberto
Callooh! Callay!
I'd have to think hard to give a good answer but I think they are at least going to be hounded and will be hated and laughed at in equal measure. Considering the current situation, it's hard to say what may happen. Whether about the best of it is wind in Labours' sails I don't know.
A odd slip of the tongue from someone who is usually so pedantic with numbers.
maomao
普費斯
The majority also don't think he shouldn't resign.
Part-timah
Well-Known Member
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Oh, FFS. 
www.thenational.scot
We are back to....
Number 10 defend Cummings over bizarre 'coronavirus' blog editing
NUMBER 10 have stuck up for adviser Dominic Cummings after it emerged he edited a year-old blog post on pandemic risks to include references to…
We are back to....
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Digging into those a bit on the yougov site, for the 'did he break lockdown' question, the interview has reduced the number of don't knows by a lot - number saying 'no' also went up, from 18 to 20%. The disapproval among the old actually went down a fair bit, although still high. Among the young, disapproval went up a lot. Among tory voters, disapproval went down a bit.
So post-interview, there has been a little bit of tory lining up behind their man, or probably more likely behind Johnson. Not a lot, but a bit.
Part-timah
Well-Known Member
Or it could just be Tories are older on average than normal people. This is likely to lead to less peer-to-peer, social media news consumption and greater reliance on old school broadcast media.
Jeremiah18.17
Well-Known Member
Likewise.
Don’t get me wrong, anything which will disrupt, demoralise or further de-legitimise them is to be welcomed.
It is just that the most that can be short term hoped for (and IMHO not currently that likely) would be Cummings slipping out of the limelight with one of these “temporary” resignations the Tories are fond of.
Anything that reduces the indirect influence of Matthew Elliott and his shady backers and dents the Johnson brand with the “apolitical” is to be welcomed though.
DJWrongspeed
radio eros
Does Cummings have more than 24hrs in his role, it's not looking good?
Was just checking a few headlines from the newspapers. In a mad distraction the Torygraph is going with this one
Duchess of Cambridge and Meghan Markle had 'row' over young bridesmaids' tights ahead of royal wedding
Was just checking a few headlines from the newspapers. In a mad distraction the Torygraph is going with this one
Duchess of Cambridge and Meghan Markle had 'row' over young bridesmaids' tights ahead of royal wedding
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Perhaps. You do have to be wary of such confounding factors, but it is notable to me that among the over-65s, the interview actually may have done Cummings a little (and it is only a little) bit of good. Which is a bit surprising, even if you only watch the BBC and think Laura Kuenssberg is a bit of a liberal leftie, given what he actually said.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
What’s Mathew Goodwin’s eminent take on this?
still banging on about how shit Labour is.
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Expert at understanding the public mood he is
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
People say that you are curmudgeonly, but I say no! teuchter knows how to find the positives in the worst situation
It's too late for that now. If they were going to sideline Cummings and then quietly bring him back then Saturday morning would have been the time to do it, which probably wouldn't have killed the story altogether but would have taken a lot of the momentum out of it. They've invested too much capital in hanging on to him to do it now without doing even more damage.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
An improvement on what you usually splatter it with.You bastard, I've just splattered my laptop with lager.
For anyone who missed it, here's Gove laughing at the absurd story he's trying to back up.
And here's someone who looked into the autism tweets. platinumsage was posting it about 4 hours after the first tweet.
Don't let anyone fool you with the 'autism' excuse for Dominic Cummings' wrongdoing. It isn't true - Vox Political
I had not been aware of this, but if you […]voxpoliticalonline.com
Jesus wept - Gove went for the spin then pulled up at the last minute.
Has Tory HQ been spiked with LSD?
gosub
~#
I think the cat is out of the bag on Cummings; he's never getting away with this. One way or another he's screwed. The whole thing is of a different order to most of their bullshitting, it's personal for people from all political strands. Fintan O'Toole makes a good argument about this in the Guardian.
Cummings’ contempt for lockdown rules makes the public feel like fools | Fintan O’Toole
The Catholic church in Ireland lost power by flouting the morals it prescribed. The Tory government risks a similar fate, says Irish Times columnist Fintan O’Toole
It's a fatal blunder. Or at least a serious self-inflicted blow to this administration, and the Tories more widely. Politicians trade on their (usually prentence of) integrity, of being 'on our side'. It's the powerful's old enemy hubris biting them hard.
Assuming there is a second spikie, there will be people who lose loved ones or suffer from the even worse economic shock that wiho have been told in advance that suffering was less important than that one man keeping his job. Of course there might not be a second spike in which hurrah for the government, but that's a hell of a red black bet
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