The DNC "hack" was a leak from within the US and not Russia.

[mikey mikey]

so a no then

Can you provide any reason why I should dismiss Craig Murray and/or believe the CIA?

 

[squirrelp]

I like it that we apparently cannot accept Craig Murray's screenshots for his facebook stats, but when it comes to CIA anti-Russian propaganda it's 'credulous' or whatever not to simply take their word for things without any evidence at all.

 

[Pickman's model]

Can you provide any reason why I should dismiss Craig Murray and/or believe the CIA?

from whence does he derive his information?

 

[mikey mikey]

How about you read the article?

 

[mikey mikey]

Moving on...

As for the comments to the media as to what the CIA believes, the reality is that CIA is almost totally dependent on NSA for ground truth in the communications arena. Thus, it remains something of a mystery why the media is being fed strange stories about hacking that have no basis in fact. In sum, given what we know of NSA’s existing capabilities, it beggars belief that NSA would be unable to identify anyone – Russian or not – attempting to interfere in a U.S. election by hacking.

High-Level American Intelligence Officials: "Allegations of Hacking Election Are Baseless"

 

[Pickman's model]

How about you read the article?

so you don't know

 

[not-bono-ever]

"36-year NSA veteran widely regarded as a “legend” within the agency and the NSA’s best-ever analyst and code-breaker, who mapped out the Soviet command-and-control structure before anyone else knew how, and so predicted Soviet invasions before they happened"

either

a) Unamed yet obviously identifiable if he/she exists, 36 year NSA veteran has just ensured he will spend the rest of his days in an orange jumpsuit and never reap the benefits of his/her fat state pension for some act of unfathomable randomness

or

b) This is toss

 

[mikey mikey]

So you want the name of Murray's anonymous source.
Well, Mr. Murray is unwilling to divulge the name.
So is the NSA, strangely enough.

 

[Pickman's model]

"36-year NSA veteran widely regarded as a “legend” within the agency and the NSA’s best-ever analyst and code-breaker, who mapped out the Soviet command-and-control structure before anyone else knew how, and so predicted Soviet invasions before they happened"

either

a) Unamed yet obviously identifiable if he/she exists, 36 year NSA veteran has just ensured he will spend the rest of his days in an orange jumpsuit and never reap the benefits of his/her fat state pension for some act of unfathomable randomness

or

b) This is toss

i can't think offhand of any soviet invasion in the last 36 years. 37 years - but then that's before yer man would have predicted invasions in't it

 

[Yossarian]

Julian Assange and Craig Murray haven't done much for their credibility on this issue by suggesting Seth Rich was the leaker and he was murdered by the Clintons.

 

[Pickman's model]

"36-year NSA veteran widely regarded as a “legend” within the agency and the NSA’s best-ever analyst and code-breaker, who mapped out the Soviet command-and-control structure before anyone else knew how, and so predicted Soviet invasions before they happened"

either

a) Unamed yet obviously identifiable if he/she exists, 36 year NSA veteran has just ensured he will spend the rest of his days in an orange jumpsuit and never reap the benefits of his/her fat state pension for some act of unfathomable randomness

or

b) This is toss

c4u

 

[mikey mikey]

Julian Assange and Craig Murray haven't done much for their credibility on this issue by suggesting Seth Rich was the leaker and he was murdered by the Clintons.

Did either of them make a statment suggesting that the Clintons were guilty of his murder?
I would appreciate any link you could provide.

 

[Pickman's model]

Did either of them make a statment suggesting that the Clintons were guilty of his murder?
I would appreciate any link you could provide.

what soviet invasions can you name between 1980 and 1991?

 

[mikey mikey]

Are we playing Jeopardy?

If it is a genuine question then try this site: Military occupations by the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

If it bears any relevance to the discussion however, don't be shy now.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Can only be referring to Afghanistan give or take a few years- and the sovs moving in was not a surprise to anyone, seeing as the incumbent Afghan government had already expressly and openly legislated for the ability to formally call for soviet assistance some time earlier. That OP article is fucking wank I have to say- read like any other conspiracy toss- lots of links to other rubbish in some kind of seedy mutual dependency pact to back up each others crumbling tower of unsubstantiated shite.

 

[mikey mikey]

Which part is er...let's say...not to your liking?

 

[mikey mikey]

I liked the bit they quoted from Mr. Murray.

If you set up the super surveillance state, hoovering up all the internet traffic of pretty well everybody, that is not just going to affect the ordinary people whom the elite despise. There is also going to be an awful lot of traffic intercepted from sleazy members of the elite connected to even the most senior politicians, revealing all their corruption and idiosyncracies. From people like John Podesta, to take an entirely random example. And once the super surveillance state has intercepted and stored all that highly incriminating material, you never know if some decent human being, some genuine patriot, from within the security services is going to feel compelled to turn whistleblower.

I didn't find that wan...I mean...wanting at all.

 

[J Ed]

p@ssw0rd

 

[Idris2002]

I liked the bit they quoted from Mr. Murray.



I didn't find that wan...I mean...wanting at all.

I presume his use of Podesta's name is a sneaky reference to that Pizzagate nonsense?

 

[J Ed]

I presume his use of Podesta's name is a sneaky reference to that Pizzagate nonsense?

Pizzagate is a great name for a mouth

 

[two sheds]

I presume his use of Podesta's name is a sneaky reference to that Pizzagate nonsense?

Was a fair point, though, it's going to give the data collectors a huge amount of blackmail material.

 

[DotCommunist]

in a few years time the -gate suffix will have to be explained to younger people.

 

[Pickman's model]

Are we playing Jeopardy?

If it is a genuine question then try this site: Military occupations by the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

If it bears any relevance to the discussion however, don't be shy now.

yeh. we're assessing the reliability of this information about the nsa legend who doesn't appear to have predicted any invasions. and it is found wanting.

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

US Intel Vets Dispute Russia Hacking Claims – Consortiumnews

The email disclosures in question are the result of a leak, not a hack. Here’s the difference between leaking and hacking:

Leak: When someone physically takes data out of an organization and gives it to some other person or organization, as Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning did.

Hack: When someone in a remote location electronically penetrates operating systems, firewalls or any other cyber-protection system and then extracts data.

All signs point to leaking, not hacking. If hacking were involved, the National Security Agency would know it – and know both sender and recipient.

In short, since leaking requires physically removing data – on a thumb drive, for example – the only way such data can be copied and removed, with no electronic trace of what has left the server, is via a physical storage device.

 

[J Ed]

p@ssw0rd

This was Podesta's email password

John Podesta. The campaign manager.

 

[Pickman's model]

This was Podesta's email password

John Podesta. The campaign manager.

p1s5p00r

 

[J Ed]

In a sense it doesn't really matter whether it was the Russians or not. He might as well have just printed out all the e-mails and left them laying around on seats on the New York Subway.

 

[Pickman's model]

In a sense it doesn't really matter whether it was the Russians or not. He might as well have just printed out all the e-mails and left them laying around on seats on the New York Subway.

no one would have read them and at the end of the line a cleaner would have stuffed them all into bin bags

 

[mikey mikey]

So the leaked emails went largely unread and had little bearing on the POTUS elction of 2016?

Who knew?

 

[Idris2002]

Julian Assange and Craig Murray haven't done much for their credibility on this issue by suggesting Seth Rich was the leaker and he was murdered by the Clintons.

So the Clinton campaign couldn't be bothered to hire people who would use adequate security (passwords or anything else), but they could be bothered to have those who Crossed Them rubbed out?