Blaming Russia
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Happy Tree
maagilises metsas
On the recommendation of someone here I've been watching the series The Americans, about 2 Russian spies embedded in the US living as an apple pie family. It's not bad.
One of my favourite shows that, well worth sticking with
Silas Loom
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Leaving aside the spy stuff, and the wigs, and the murders, all of which are very watchable, it’s the best TV writing about marriages and parenting that I’ve ever encountered. It improves every season, as well. You’re in for a treat.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
To be fair, the stickies did move more towards the direction of Marxism-Leninism. Funnily enough, some prominent Irish anarchists also came out of Official Sinn Fein.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Not the Irish anarchist who used to be on here whose dad was a prison governor?
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Dunno about that but I'm pretty sure the late Alan MacSimóin was originally in the officials.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
not to mention eg martin mcguinness, late of the oira
Aladdin
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By OIRA I meant Old IRA.
Aladdin
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hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
That couple who didn't get executed were as well. I mean, there's a lot of couples who didn't get executed, but the Murrays came closer than most:
No Hanging Here: The Case of Marie and Noel Murray
A pamphlet produced by the Murray Defence Campaign, protesting against the planned executions of Irish anarchists Noel and Marie Murray. Digitised by the Irish Left Archive.
ska invita
back on the other side
Blaming Russia as the one force of destablitiy in the world
spacelab
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I follow RT on Gab (the US right wing social media site) as a way of monitoring right wing activity. It is clear where they stand. The same themes keep getting pushed, anti immigration, homophobic/ transphobic, anti progressive left, pushing narratives of West falling apart, heading for civil war, media untrustworthiness, censoring free speech (no hint of irony with the last 2).
Russia has promoted right wing movements around the world which is one of the reasons I cant understand how any one on the left can be an apologist for Putin. The Right love Putin as to them he represents traditional white conservative Christian values standing up against the debauchery of Liberalism. The same reason they love Viktor Orban.
The question about how much this influence affects the results of elections is harder to quantify. But what is clear the MAGA movement borrowed a lot from the tactics of Putin in shaping public opinion with the firehose of falsehood model which Steve Bannon proclaimed the media is the enemy and we are going to flood that zone with shit.
The biggest influence of Russia has probably been to relativize and to subjectify what is a fact and what is reality. Alexander Dugan the influential Russian thinker when asked does the The kremlin ever lie his answer was no because it says what it believes. He drew on the difference between Western thought and Russian thought. He said The West is based on reason Russia on faith. What is a fact is what you believe to be true. Something that sums up Trumpism to a tee.
Russia has promoted right wing movements around the world which is one of the reasons I cant understand how any one on the left can be an apologist for Putin. The Right love Putin as to them he represents traditional white conservative Christian values standing up against the debauchery of Liberalism. The same reason they love Viktor Orban.
The question about how much this influence affects the results of elections is harder to quantify. But what is clear the MAGA movement borrowed a lot from the tactics of Putin in shaping public opinion with the firehose of falsehood model which Steve Bannon proclaimed the media is the enemy and we are going to flood that zone with shit.
The biggest influence of Russia has probably been to relativize and to subjectify what is a fact and what is reality. Alexander Dugan the influential Russian thinker when asked does the The kremlin ever lie his answer was no because it says what it believes. He drew on the difference between Western thought and Russian thought. He said The West is based on reason Russia on faith. What is a fact is what you believe to be true. Something that sums up Trumpism to a tee.
Silas Loom
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Congrats on the first post. I’m not sure I agree about Russia as a global epistemic destabiliser: it benefits from a post-truth climate but it lacks the subtlety and skill it would have taken to have engineered one. Still, it’s an interesting thought.
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The39thStep
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spacelab
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Yeah its not a black and white thing with Putin sitting pulling strings and causing The West to implode. What there is no doubt of is a concerted influence campaign to sow division and confusion in The West. How successful it is up for debate. The bottom line is they are doing it and they have a very receptive audience on the Right and some parts of the Left.
breadandcircuse
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Anyone who thinks Putin and Russia aren't involved in undermining, to say the least, other countries, needs to give their head a wobble. Bannon and co have been at it for years, with Flynn found guilty, but pardoned by the desperate cheeto, for his involvement with Russia. The Biden administration has released more info today on RT's influence.
I pay heed to this genius, with how he can condense the issues so brilliantly and hilariously, but fact based
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I pay heed to this genius, with how he can condense the issues so brilliantly and hilariously, but fact based
.These two are nailed on, and it’s about causing chaos in the west and being able to build a picture of Russia needing a strongman to avoid being like the west.
Combustible
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Yes western politics was notoriously reason-based before the arrival of the malign Russian influence
The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality.
gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
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hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Huh, kind of an interesting story, and I suppose this thread is as good a place as any for it:
Omali Yeshitela perhaps best known for his influence on Dead Prez, he's the person sampled on Wolves and Police State. Augustus Romain is better known as Gazi Kodzo of Black Hammer, which is a whole very long story in its own right:
en.wikipedia.org
US black-rights activists convicted over Russian links
Florida jury found four defendants guilty of conspiring to act as Russian agents but cleared them of actually doing so.
www.bbc.co.uk
Omali Yeshitela perhaps best known for his influence on Dead Prez, he's the person sampled on Wolves and Police State. Augustus Romain is better known as Gazi Kodzo of Black Hammer, which is a whole very long story in its own right:
Infamous ‘Cult’ Leader Arrested After Dead Body Found in Home
Gazi Kodzo loves dressing as the Joker and once said Anne Frank was a “Karen.” On Tuesday, cops found a dead man in his house.
www.thedailybeast.com
Black Hammer Party - Wikipedia
PTK
Paul Kegan
Thanks for this. I had heard about the IRSP people being accused of the Train Robbery, but not about the two Irish anarchists sentenced to death.That couple who didn't get executed were as well. I mean, there's a lot of couples who didn't get executed, but the Murrays came closer than most:
Can anyone remember what this thread was about?No Hanging Here: The Case of Marie and Noel Murray
A pamphlet produced by the Murray Defence Campaign, protesting against the planned executions of Irish anarchists Noel and Marie Murray. Digitised by the Irish Left Archive.libcom.org
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
A great bunch of lads.
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