brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Well, tbf the membership stymied the 'treachery'.
"The British people expressed their view very clearly on 23rd June"
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and how long did they allow this 'treachery' to carry on for?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Almost exactly 3 months.
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yeh. and did they boycott this 'treacherous' battle or did they dispute it like socialists?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
They chose the left social democrat over the right social democrat.
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yeh. but did they boycott the contest in droves?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
No, some paid £25 to join in.
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so they were complicit in the event
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Boycotting is hardly likely from a self-selecting group of folk invested in the notion of Parliamentary social democracy.
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no further questions.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Agreed 'complicit' in the sense that they did respond to the 'treachery' of the 172 of the PLP, but not complicit with initiating the event; that was the right PLP.
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no further questions, you may leave the stand.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
There's a thread around about the consequences of a weak Labour Party which always makes me think "well we know the consequences, we've had one for years now".
newbie
undisambiguated
aye, because I'm debating. You haven't explained at all why you think this particular quote is so brilliant or really discussed it in any way .
It's not up to me to speak on behalf of other people. If you want to know what those nearer the sharp end think go post it on a Black Lives Matter forum or on Everyday Sexism. Those debates would be interesting, please invite me along
It's obviously divisive: it has divided you and I over an abstraction about which I'd expect us to agree: the primacy of class over any politicised identity. That division seems to me completely unnecessary and counter-productive at a time when the identity politics that matter are coming from the alt-right and promote the interests of white men above all others.
Tmm there is no need to be having this conversation at all, that basic concept could have been presented in far less divisive terms.
What interpretation of that particular quote makes it so special? I'm clearly not seeing something you are.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Neither anything I've posted nor the quote argues, or even implies, that
What's "divided" us is your repeated attempts to cast myself (and danny) as willing to support racism.
So quite frankly either you apologise for that smear (the second time on this thread you've made it or something similar) or fuck off.
What's "divided" us is your repeated attempts to cast myself (and danny) as willing to support racism.
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The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
And why have the alt right done so well out of identity politics ?
FridgeMagnet
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The alt-right have perpetuated age-old reactionary tropes by continuing the old stereotypes of uppity negroes, shrill women, gays who force it down your throats etc, rephrasing them as "SJWs", "virtue signalling" and "identity politics".
Jeremiah18.17
Well-Known Member
Interesting bit of research on the source of and interesting links to the source of the big DUP Brexit campaign donation. A lot of the materials used in the English Midlands area that I live in appeared to be DUP produced and branded.
Secretive DUP Brexit donor links to the Saudi intelligence service
Secretive DUP Brexit donor links to the Saudi intelligence service
newbie
undisambiguated
there's no smear, I've told you how I read that quote and I'm asking you to explain what you think it says.
newbie
undisambiguated
because they're so ruthless in the way they target anger and grievances against target hate groups. Their agenda revolves around white nationalism and they don't care who gets hurt.
Raheem
Well-Known Member
You say this as if you were pointing at something self-evident. But what do you mean?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
It seems to me that whilst being ruthless in the way they target 'target hate groups' and the fact that they have rephrased old stereotypes doesn't fully explain how they have moved from the marginal shadows to the centre stage of politics.
newbie
undisambiguated
can you add a bit more to the explanation then please.
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
What the fuck is he up to?
Labour MP Ben Bradshaw says British people have a right to know if Russia meddled in Brexit
Labour MP Ben Bradshaw says British people have a right to know if Russia meddled in Brexit
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He Putin or he Bradshaw?
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
Bradshaw
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Ta
danny la rouge
I have a cheese grater in the dishwasher.
It would seem he's trying to discredit the result and undermine support for it. Or do you think there's something else to it?
NoXion
Craicy the Squirrel
I dunno, that's why I was asking. I am struck however by a recent tendency in some circles to whip up concern over alleged Russian meddling.
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