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[editor]

Brexit is a fucking right wing Tory farce and we're all going to suffer because of it. Fuck it.

 

[Pickman's model]

Eh?
The article does not mention the Republic of Ireland unless I missed it.
Places that have close geographic proximity to the UK like France, Belgium, Holland, and the Republic of Ireland are all likely to have an extra layer of perspective compared to places further away.
The Republic of Ireland is in the EU and has a land border with the UK and has very particular concerns.
The brexit vote was never about making the Irish happy, if anything they were not considered at all by brexit voters, or for some voters making difficulties for the Irish might have pleased them.
I can only hope that without a deal the 70% of electricity supplied from the European Union to the Northern Ireland part of the United Kingdom is switched off on January 1st, until such time as the UK resolves the border problem it created.

jesus mary and joseph

you just get worse and worse

why do you think the article has to mention the irish for there to be conclusions drawn about their feelings from it? if you heard 'there's a tsunami heading towards cornwall' would you not think that people in kerry, cork, waterford and wexford (not to mention people in devon) might be concerned about it? does everything have to be spelled out for you? extra layers of perspective? you could do with one layer of perspective, it'd be a start

 

[Pickman's model]

Brexit is a fucking right wing Tory farce and we're all going to suffer because of it. Fuck it.

farces are supposed to be funny, see for example charley's aunt or man with two masters

 

[gentlegreen]

I can only hope that without a deal the 70% of electricity supplied from the European Union to the Northern Ireland part of the United Kingdom is switched off on January 1st, until such time as the UK resolves the border problem it created.

 

[philosophical]

jesus mary and joseph

you just get worse and worse

why do you think the article has to mention the irish for there to be conclusions drawn about their feelings from it? if you heard 'there's a tsunami heading towards cornwall' would you not think that people in kerry, cork, waterford and wexford (not to mention people in devon) might be concerned about it? does everything have to be spelled out for you? extra layers of perspective? you could do with one layer of perspective, it'd be a start

Why am I not surprised the class control freak has weighed in?
Change your user name to 'everybodyshouldbethesameasme' why don't you?

 

[Chz]

That’s the bit I’m interested in — hours of rain per day. Number of days that it rains is a half-decent proxy but actually I don’t even much care if it rains every day if there are a few nice hours to go out in. It’s a lot harder to find that kind of data though — much easier to just measure total rainfall.

I'm forever having to explain that to the family back home. Yes, London technically has less rainfall than Toronto. The difference is that most of Toronto's rainfall comes from serious storms that can be as short as an hour - it's not a drizzly place. Whereas London will get the same amount of precipitation spread over a week of drizzle.

 

[two sheds]

I got caught in a rainstorm in New York one time - fuck me that was intense, never seen anything like it.

 

[Pickman's model]

Why am I not surprised the class control freak has weighed in?
Change your user name to 'everybodyshouldbethesameasme' why don't you?

because i don't think everybody should be the same as me. in fact i haven't in any way suggested everyone should be the same as me.

 

[teuchter]

I'm forever having to explain that to the family back home. Yes, London technically has less rainfall than Toronto. The difference is that most of Toronto's rainfall comes from serious storms that can be as short as an hour - it's not a drizzly place. Whereas London will get the same amount of precipitation spread over a week of drizzle.

London rarely has a week of drizzle.

 

[brogdale]

I'm as guilty as any, I know...but maybe enough of the weather/climate stuff?

There are more appropriate threads.

This thread topic could get quite interesting over the next couple of weeks....

 

[Pickman's model]

London rarely has a week of drizzle.

but we often get you dribbling all over threads.

 

[not-bono-ever]

I did say that fishing in Europe is a very different bag of political fishy things than it is in the U.K.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Time to put this agreement into plaice I reckon. Lots of risky herring-do from the brits but we will roe the day we failed to get a d-eel.

 

[editor]

Hope all you flag waving Brexiteers are feeling chuffed.

The UK should brace itself for months of food shortages from 1 January as strict European rules are enforced and the prospect of long delays at the customs border scare off truck drivers from even attempting to deliver goods across the Channel, experts on both sides of the channel have claimed.

According to the boss of Europe’s largest haulage trade body, the UK is looking at a “nightmare scenario” that will lead to “weeks, if not months” of food shortages after the Brexit transition period comes to an end in just four weeks.

UK should brace itself for months of food shortages from 1 January, delivery experts say

According to the boss of Europe’s largest haulage trade body, the UK is looking at a 'nightmare scenario' that will lead to food shortages

inews.co.uk

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Brexit is a fucking right wing Tory farce and we're all going to suffer because of it. Fuck it.

I depend on quite a few medications and am genuinely worried about a medication shortage. I'm also dependent on stoma and fistula supplies. Really not looking forward to brexit at all.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Brexit is a fucking right wing Tory farce and we're all going to suffer because of it. Fuck it.

If only the majority had voted to endorse Cameron and Osborne 's leadership instead. instead.

 

[Artaxerxes]

If only the majority had voted to endorse Cameron and Osborne's leadership instead.

It’s the biggest shit sandwich we’ve had to vote for in a while.

I was firmly remain until the day and I saw the votes and I realised it was a choice between Farage and his lot or Cameron. I stuck with remain but I wasn’t happy about it.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

It’s the biggest shit sandwich we’ve had to vote for in a while.

I was firmly remain until the day and I saw the votes and I realised it was a choice between Farage and his lot or Cameron. I stuck with remain but I wasn’t happy about it.

Whichever way you went you were fucked. Divide and rule is all our 'betters' know.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Whichever way you went you were fucked. Divide and rule is all our 'betters' know.

Cameron got cocky, the key to any referendum is you know how it’s going to go. It’s why he was ok with AV and even Scots (that was squeaky bum time though).

We’ve had 40 years of the press and Westminster blaming the Eu for basically everything the governments cocked up so it was hard to see how you’d get a decisive win. Status quo won for me but lot of anger out there and still is. I also didn’t want to be trapped here with the conservatives having no opposition for next decade or more and oh boy

 

[Flavour]

The remain/leave stuff is over and done with, let's not retread this nutrition-poor ground, the soil is barely fertile.

Instead, let's focus on the great clash of the intellectual titans shaping the future of the UK's relationship with Europe: Boris Johnson vs Michel Barnier

 

[TopCat]

Hope all you flag waving Brexiteers are feeling chuffed.

UK should brace itself for months of food shortages from 1 January, delivery experts say

According to the boss of Europe’s largest haulage trade body, the UK is looking at a 'nightmare scenario' that will lead to food shortages

inews.co.uk

Given yet another bit of hyperbolic bullshit from you, specifically the flag waving dig, I think you will be the only poster I refer to as a remoaner.

 

[editor]

Given yet another bit of hyperbolic bullshit from you, specifically the flag waving dig, I think you will be the only poster I refer to as a remoaner.

Oh, are you self identifying as a ' flag waving Brexiteer' then?

 

[TopCat]

Oh, are you self identifying as a ' flag waving Brexiteer' then?

You constantly try and paint all who voted leave as a homogenous blob, made of of racist nationalists who really should not have been allowed to vote. You know this ain't the case.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Hope all you flag waving Brexiteers are feeling chuffed.

UK should brace itself for months of food shortages from 1 January, delivery experts say

According to the boss of Europe’s largest haulage trade body, the UK is looking at a 'nightmare scenario' that will lead to food shortages

inews.co.uk

Bring it on. Let’s get angry & start robbing from the rich & toppling government. Because by Christ, we’re not angry enough that people in this shit hole of a country are going hungry already!!

 

[Artaxerxes]

EU still haven't blinked btw.

 

[Serge Forward]

Bring it on. Let’s get angry & start robbing from the rich & toppling government. Because by Christ, we’re not angry enough that people in this shit hole of a country are going hungry already!!

Ooh I dunno. The high level of de-politicisation and low levels of class consciousness makes toppling government and expropriating the boss class all a bit unlikely right now. Until we build a viable mass movement, we're fucked. One thing's for sure though, the emergence of any such movement is highly unlikely while we're still arguing about Brexit bollocks.

 

[editor]

You constantly try and paint all who voted leave as a homogenous blob, made of of racist nationalists who really should not have been allowed to vote. You know this ain't the case.

I don't actually, but don't let that dislodge that hefty chip from your shoulder.

But fuck Brexit. It's fuelled xenophobia and division, given toxic arsedribbles like Farage an elevated platform and it's going to truly fuck over a shitload of people who deserve better.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Ooh I dunno. The high level of de-politicisation and low levels of class consciousness makes toppling government and expropriating the boss class all a bit unlikely right now. Until we build a viable mass movement, we're fucked. One thing's for sure though, the emergence of any such movement is highly unlikely while we're still arguing about Brexit bollocks.

Starving the middle classes would be a spontaneous revolt. Anger is spontaneous. Anyway, that Indy article is click bait “brace yourself” crap. Back to the brexit weather.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

I don't actually, but don't let that dislodge that hefty chip from your shoulder.

You asked whether he was “self identifying as a flag waver” - you know full well TC isn’t.

 

[Serge Forward]

Starving the middle classes would be a spontaneous revolt. Anger is spontaneous. Anyway, that Indy article is click bait “brace yourself” crap. Back to the brexit weather.

True, anger is spontaneous, and these days, the most spontaneously angry seem to be in the far right camp. Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic. And yes, there's a lot to be said for spontaneous anger but for such anger to go anywhere positive, we could do with a lot more class conscious re-education.