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[sleaterkinney]

Well it's not looking good for a deal now is it?

He could have a deal, the problem is squaring it with all the lies and bullshit he’s been sprouting for the past few years.

 

[Kaka Tim]

dunno - suits all sides to make it look like a deal is done at the last minute like they've been proper negotiating hard - when the bottom line that the uk has to sign up to has been clear and unmoving since 2016.

 

[weltweit]

I can see why fisheries is an issue, but what are the issues around the level playing field and enforcement?

I imagine the EU is demanding Britain must abide by EU standards to trade with the EU, I don't have a problem with that, is there something about state support, Tories aren't really into that anyhow.

Does anyone know the specifics they are stuck on?

 

[not-bono-ever]

Subsidies that impact competition and its mates I suggest . The EU don’t trust the administration to fairly enforce it fairly and would like some kind of semi autonomous body to oversee. Pretty shoddy that the UK is not trustworthy these days

 

[weltweit]

Subsidies that impact competition and its mates I suggest . The EU don’t trust the administration to fairly enforce it fairly and would like some kind of semi autonomous body to oversee. Pretty shoddy that the UK is not trustworthy these days

I wonder what Johnson is considering subsidising ..

 

[gosub]

I wonder what Johnson is considering subsidising ..

AI

 

[Lurdan]

I wonder what Johnson is considering subsidising ..

I thought we were going into space. We've just invested £385 million bailing out OneWeb.
OneWeb satellite internet company is officially reborn - BBC News

Obviously the 'doomsters' and 'gloomsters' are already pouring cold water.
The UK’s post-Brexit space dream has turned into a nightmare - WIRED UK

Initially, the $500 million (£385m) investment, shared with Indian telecommunications company Bharti Global, was thought to be another step toward Britain building a home-grown alternative to Galileo, the European Union's global satellite system the country had recently rejected. There was a snag, however – OneWeb operated tiny satellites, measuring roughly one metre by one metre, that spun in constellations just 1,200 kilometres from Earth. The satellites used by major positioning systems – GPS, Russia's Glonass and Galileo – are all larger and orbit at altitudes of 20,000km. The UK, it seemed, had bought the wrong satellites.

But it's already saved a lot of jobs. Mostly in Florida where they make the satellites, but presumably a few in Kazakhstan where they launch them.

 

[Yossarian]

I thought we were going into space. We've just invested £385 million bailing out OneWeb.

The UK, it seemed, had bought the wrong satellites.

 

[MrSpikey]

I can only hope that without a deal the 70% of electricity supplied from the European Union to the Northern Ireland part of the United Kingdom is switched off on January 1st, until such time as the UK resolves the border problem it created.

Well if you want to personalise it may I say you are a cunt.

You want people in a region that voted in favour of your pet cause to be punished, because other people outside that region didn't.

You have no right to call anyone else a cunt.

 

[kabbes]

I can see why fisheries is an issue, but what are the issues around the level playing field and enforcement?

I imagine the EU is demanding Britain must abide by EU standards to trade with the EU, I don't have a problem with that, is there something about state support, Tories aren't really into that anyhow.

Does anyone know the specifics they are stuck on?

The level playing field doesn’t just refer to subsidies. It also refers to tests and standards to apply to everything from manufacture to retail to financial services, such as environmental protections and workers’ rights. I don’t know which if any of these elements are the ones being argued over, but I’m not assuming the problem is a Tory desire to nationalise everything!

 

[two sheds]

What I don't understand are the demands that the government doesn't allow any "loss of sovereignty". Is this just a demand for no customs points within the UK?

 

[SpookyFrank]

What I don't understand are the demands that the government doesn't allow any "loss of sovereignty". Is this just a demand for no customs points within the UK?

It's a dog whistle, it means nothing.

 

[two sheds]

On reflection I'd imagine it would also mean no European laws to apply to the UK. But yes, what you said.

 

[kabbes]

What I don't understand are the demands that the government doesn't allow any "loss of sovereignty". Is this just a demand for no customs points within the UK?

Something something territorial waters something

 

[philosophical]

You want people in a region that voted in favour of your pet cause to be punished, because other people outside that region didn't.

You have no right to call anyone else a cunt.

In response to a personal insult.
Your reasoning is rubbish, brexit was the whole of the UK, if electricity could be cut off for Lewisham that too would be a a risk of no deal.
Brexit voters knew what they were voting for, ask them for their Northern Ireland electricity contingency plan.
I called the poster a cunt in response to an insult of their own, upped the ante if you like.

 

[TopCat]

I dont think there is any prospect of a deal. The EU will drag today out, then blame the UK for the end of the negotiations when they table that bill in parliament tomorrow morning.

 

[TopCat]

It's a dog whistle, it means nothing.

It doesn't mean nothing, dont be silly.

 

[Pickman's model]

I dont think there is any prospect of a deal. The EU will drag today out, then blame the UK for the end of the negotiations when they table that bill in parliament tomorrow morning.

To be fair the government isn't shooting itself in the foot with that bill, it's blasting both feet with a shotgun

 

[Pickman's model]

In response to a personal insult.
Your reasoning is rubbish, brexit was the whole of the UK, if electricity could be cut off for Lewisham that too would be a a risk of no deal.
Brexit voters knew what they were voting for, ask them for their Northern Ireland electricity contingency plan.
I called the poster a cunt in response to an insult of their own, upped the ante if you like.

Upped the ante

You mean you dived into the bargain basement

 

[Badgers]

I dont think there is any prospect of a deal. The EU will drag today out, then blame the UK for the end of the negotiations when they table that bill in parliament tomorrow morning.

The EU will blame the UK

The UK voted for this
Government and media lied to the public
Promised an 'oven ready' deal
Promised £350m a week to the NHS
Offered nothing even resembling a 'deal'
Whipped up the gutter/right wing press
Broke international law
Risked the Good Friday Agreement
Mismanaged private sector outsourcing

Sorted themselves out with dual nationality and protected tax free offshore investments for them and their donors.

Still...

A few (already endangered) fish, racism and Black/blue passports eh?

 

[philosophical]

Upped the ante

You mean you dived into the bargain basement

The control freak speaks

Again.

 

[brogdale]

The EU will blame the UK

The UK voted for this
Government and media lied to the public
Promised an 'oven ready' deal
Promised £350m a week to the NHS
Offered nothing even resembling a 'deal'
Whipped up the gutter/right wing press
Broke international law
Risked the Good Friday Agreement
Mismanaged private sector outsourcing

Sorted themselves out with dual nationality and protected tax free offshore investments for them and their donors.

Still...

A few (already endangered) fish, racism and Black/blue passports eh?

The 'oven ready' deal when there was no oven.

 

[Pickman's model]

The control freak speaks

Again.

repeating something doesn't make it true and only shows how dull you are.
And calling someone a cunt on the Internet has been done so so frequently that it is just a potty-mouthed way of saying 'i don't like you'.

 

[Lucy Fur]

Why don't we just prick the prick's prick with a fork 100 times, and forget about the microwave? (Allegedly)

Might struggle to find the surface area for that...

 

[philosophical]

repeating something doesn't make it true and only shows how dull you are.
And calling someone a cunt on the Internet has been done so so frequently that it is just a potty-mouthed way of saying 'i don't like you'.

An explanation such as this only shows how dull you are.
Is there ever going to be a time when any of your future responses to me does not contain some kind of patronising put down so beloved of control freaks?

 

[not-bono-ever]

we are heading towards being a pariah state at this rate. a badly regulated low tax haven for global shitbags.

 

[Winot]

I personally think the EU will blink. Member states blaming each other soon.

Only a few days now. It will all be laid bare.

<a few days pass>

I dont think there is any prospect of a deal. The EU will drag today out, then blame the UK for the end of the negotiations when they table that bill in parliament tomorrow morning.

 

[TopCat]

<a few days pass>

Things changed over a few days.

 

[Pickman's model]

An explanation such as this only shows how dull you are.
Is there ever going to be a time when any of your future responses to me does not contain some kind of patronising put down so beloved of control freaks?

Pls explain why you think I'm a control freak when I haven't in any way sought to control you.

 

[TopCat]

Pls explain why you think I'm a control freak when I haven't in any way sought to control you.

I have had that demented sociopath on ignore for ages. It's funny though reading posters quoted responses to his pol pot approach.