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[TopCat]

Dungeness is a desert, and Romney Marsh has very low rainfall, but Dover and Folkestone have significant rainfall. I think Ashford is on the high high side of normal.



ETA

I’ve just just checked that, and it’s not right.

Dover, Folkestone, Ashford get about half the average England rainfall, but more than most of Kent. But less than Brighton. More than London. Less than Southend, about the same as Heathrow.

Could you summarise all that please?

 

[Supine]

Could you summarise all that please?

Variable weather

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Could you summarise all that please?

I’ve said all that I’m going to say, I’ve made myself quite clear, and I have no intention to revisit the matter.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

Variable weather

I’m afraid I can’t be held responsible for other people’s misunderstandings.

 

[gosub]

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[two sheds]

The South-East of England is semi-arid. Relatively speaking and despite a reputation for changeability it does not rain a lot in Kent.

Because we get all the fucking stuff in Cornwall

 

[teuchter]

Cornwall doesn't even get that much rain - it's in the UK's mediocre zone.

Before I moved to London I'd always lived in the blue regions.

So I routinely have a laugh when people go on about how much it rains in London or the south east.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Because we get all the fucking stuff in Cornwall

And Devon. I was just reading in the local paper about border patrols between Cornwall and Devon because of the Covid rules, but nothing stops the weather.

 

[two sheds]

Apart from Exeter - it rains all over Dartmoor so Exeter doesn't get it.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

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Cornwall doesn't even get that much rain - it's in the UK's mediocre zone.

Before I moved to London I'd always lived in the blue regions.

So I routinely have a laugh when people go on about how much it rains in London or the south east.

That looks like quite a lot of shit.

Why is it so brown?





...
That’s great map though
Makes sense.
Water loaded wind /air coming in from the Atlantic and dropping its load as it crosses the land.
Stand to reason.



Pelion

 

[Dogsauce]

Cornwall doesn't even get that much rain - it's in the UK's mediocre zone.

Before I moved to London I'd always lived in the blue regions.

So I routinely have a laugh when people go on about how much it rains in London or the south east.

I fucked it by moving from London back to the southwest, I can go weeks here without being able to go out on the nice bike.

 

[two sheds]

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Cornwall doesn't even get that much rain - it's in the UK's mediocre zone.

Before I moved to London I'd always lived in the blue regions.

So I routinely have a laugh when people go on about how much it rains in London or the south east.

Not even that much rain??? Mediocre??? I'm going to ask you outside friend.

Look at that blue compared to the nasty brown (thank you Sheila) stuff over the east. That's going to be desert in a few years you mark my words.

I did speak to someone who said that Cornwall doesn't rain much more of the time than further east, it's just that it rains heavier when it does rain.

 

[SheilaNaGig]

I fucked it by moving from London back to the southwest, I can go weeks here without being able to go out on the nice bike.

I once went on holiday to the SW

Rain etc

 

[kabbes]

I did speak to someone who said that Cornwall doesn't rain much more of the time than further east, it's just that it rains heavier when it does rain.

That’s the bit I’m interested in — hours of rain per day. Number of days that it rains is a half-decent proxy but actually I don’t even much care if it rains every day if there are a few nice hours to go out in. It’s a lot harder to find that kind of data though — much easier to just measure total rainfall.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

Apart from Exeter - it rains all over Dartmoor so Exeter doesn't get it.

But folk are strange on that side of the moor.

 

[TopCat]

Boris Johnson must give up on fishing: it's the only way to get a Brexit deal | Simon Jenkins

A breakdown in EU talks would cause more chaos than Britain can stand. He should plan to compensate the industry instead, says Guardian columnist Simon Jenkins

www.theguardian.com

 

[Pickman's model]

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Cornwall doesn't even get that much rain - it's in the UK's mediocre zone.

Before I moved to London I'd always lived in the blue regions.

So I routinely have a laugh when people go on about how much it rains in London or the south east.

The most mediocre But only the median. Not the mean or the mode.. And only for the period of the map. Have you something up to date?

 

[teuchter]

Not even that much rain??? Mediocre??? I'm going to ask you outside friend.

Can I suggest Fort William? Bring waterproofs.

 

[Flavour]

Funny how in the space of 24 hours the front-page stories on Bbc/graun went from "a deal is like, super close to being made, finally" to "prospect of a deal receding" -- i suspect this is partly because Tories are now more interested in laying the groundwork of the narrative that all the chaos which will ensue in January is actually the EU's fault for backing away from the oven-ready deal that BJ had pen in hand ready to sign

 

[teuchter]

The most mediocre But only the median. Not the mean or the mode.. And only for the period of the map. Have you something up to date?

Have you anything useful to say?

 

[brogdale]

That looks like quite a lot of shit.

Why is it so brown?





...
That’s great map though
Makes sense.
Water loaded wind /air coming in from the Atlantic and dropping its load as it crosses the land.
Stand to reason.



Pelion

Also the relief of the Western parts of Great Britain contributes to wringing the moisture out of the prevailing winds coming off the Atlantic. The mountains & hills forcing the humid air aloft where it cools, condensing the vaporous load forming cloud that precipitates onto the land.

The 'rain shadow' to the East results from this relief rainfall in the West and the drying/warming of the Föhn effect winds blowing down from the higher land.

 

[Pickman's model]

Have you anything useful to say?

Much more than you on the basis of the obsolete information you've deigned to share with us

 

[teuchter]

The 'rain shadow' to the East results from this relief rainfall in the West and the drying/warming of the Föhn effect winds blowing down from the higher land.

The Fohn effect thing leads to certain locations in the very north of scotland holding various records for UK highest winter temperatures.... somewhat surprisingly.

UK's new warmest December confirmed in Highlands

The data recorded last month at Achfary has been validated by meteorologists and showed a temperature of 18.7C.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[brogdale]

The Fohn effect thing leads to certain locations in the very north of scotland holding various records for UK highest winter temperatures.... somewhat surprisingly.

UK's new warmest December confirmed in Highlands

The data recorded last month at Achfary has been validated by meteorologists and showed a temperature of 18.7C.

www.bbc.co.uk

Indeed.
All down to the release of the latent heat of condensation in the clouds that means the air comes down out of the mountains, not only drier, but also warmer than it went up in the first place!

Partly explains the surprisingly high latitude production of (arborio) rice in the Po valley, down (prevailing) wind from the Alps.

But...we digress.

 

[Raheem]

Funny how in the space of 24 hours the front-page stories on Bbc/graun went from "a deal is like, super close to being made, finally" to "prospect of a deal receding" -- i suspect this is partly because Tories are now more interested in laying the groundwork of the narrative that all the chaos which will ensue in January is actually the EU's fault for backing away from the oven-ready deal that BJ had pen in hand ready to sign

IMO, it's to delay agreeing so that it can happen on the same day as the first Covid vaccinations, and the attention of the media will be accordingly divided.

 

[TopCat]

Fucks sake.

 

[TopCat]

Brexit: Johnson and Von der Leyen to take over with direct talks

UK PM and European commission president to speak on Saturday after negotiators fail to reach agreement

www.theguardian.com

The Irish wont be happy now.

 

[philosophical]

Brexit: Johnson and Von der Leyen to take over with direct talks

UK PM and European commission president to speak on Saturday after negotiators fail to reach agreement

www.theguardian.com

The Irish wont be happy now.

Eh?
The article does not mention the Republic of Ireland unless I missed it.
Places that have close geographic proximity to the UK like France, Belgium, Holland, and the Republic of Ireland are all likely to have an extra layer of perspective compared to places further away.
The Republic of Ireland is in the EU and has a land border with the UK and has very particular concerns.
The brexit vote was never about making the Irish happy, if anything they were not considered at all by brexit voters, or for some voters making difficulties for the Irish might have pleased them.
I can only hope that without a deal the 70% of electricity supplied from the European Union to the Northern Ireland part of the United Kingdom is switched off on January 1st, until such time as the UK resolves the border problem it created.

 

[TopCat]

Eh?
The article does not mention the Republic of Ireland unless I missed it.
Places that have close geographic proximity to the UK like France, Belgium, Holland, and the Republic of Ireland are all likely to have an extra layer of perspective compared to places further away.
The Republic of Ireland is in the EU and has a land border with the UK and has very particular concerns.
The brexit vote was never about making the Irish happy, if anything they were not considered at all by brexit voters, or for some voters making difficulties for the Irish might have pleased them.
I can only hope that without a deal the 70% of electricity supplied from the European Union to the Northern Ireland part of the United Kingdom is switched off on January 1st, until such time as the UK resolves the border problem it created.

You are a fruitcake.

 

[philosophical]

You are a fruitcake.

Well if you want to personalise it may I say you are a cunt.