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[ska invita]

Not 'trade' but gotta feel bad for those overseas second home owners

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second home owners is one thing

ive got a friend whose moved out to Spain 4 years ago, rents and works, spends 11 months there - but still has only british citizenship etc
she may have sorted out her status ive no idea, but i imagine there are going to be others who get caught out in this kind of ruling

 

[miss direct]

Off topic but whereabouts in Turkey are you? I happen to know of some fantastic Turkish cheese makers to whom the process for making gruyere was introduced by the Swiss a century ago and they continue to make it.

I'm not there anymore, but if you have good cheese contacts, I'll pass them on. The Brits in Istanbul are desperate for cheesey cheese.

 

[Badgers]

second home owners is one thing

ive got a friend whose moved out to Spain 4 years ago, rents and works, spends 11 months there - but still has only british citizenship etc
she may have sorted out her status ive no idea, but i imagine there are going to be others who get caught out in this kind of ruling

Yeah. Sorry to be flippant about it. Same as Covid-19, there are people being overlooked. I used to work in Spain but stayed in a serviced apartment 3-4 months of the year. Guess I had no property in my name so would likely have been okay but who knows?

FWIW I am actually working with customs (HMRC/IOE) on Brexit but focused on Northern Ireland rather than the EU so a bit out of the loop about that side. Tempting to leak a bit of the behind the scenes mess but best not as I need to keep the job atm

 

[Maltin]

As we actually left 31/1/2020. I'm not sure where you are going with the 'a little late I fear' though thats clearly a pre Covid recording. The whole point of the transitional deadline of 31/12/20 was so people and businesses could adapt so the change was as seamless as possible. Yet here we are with a month to go and our political 'elites' arguing over the precise detail of the change. That's the coffee. At just about every turn over the last 4 years this has been badly handled

Oven ready...

 

[gosub]

Oven ready...

shame it lacks the necessary EHC that ensured that only the finest cuts of horse meat ends up in lasagne

 

[2hats]

"Routing around the problem."

 

[not-bono-ever]

the celtic ferry routes are well established with brittany ferries , but the dunkirk one is DFDS- fits well for northern europe and onward. DFDS chuck in a meal and drink for commercials and a longer route can work with drivers break schedule demands - why face brit formalities and piss stinking laybys when you can have a kip.

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

Yeah. Sorry to be flippant about it. Same as Covid-19, there are people being overlooked. I used to work in Spain but stayed in a serviced apartment 3-4 months of the year. Guess I had no property in my name so would likely have been okay but who knows?

FWIW I am actually working with customs (HMRC/IOE) on Brexit but focused on Northern Ireland rather than the EU so a bit out of the loop about that side. Tempting to leak a bit of the behind the scenes mess but best not as I need to keep the job atm

in your own time pretty please

 

[teuchter]

the celtic ferry routes are well established with brittany ferries , but the dunkirk one is DFDS- fits well for northern europe and onward. DFDS chuck in a meal and drink for commercials and a longer route can work with drivers break schedule demands - why face brit formalities and piss stinking laybys when you can have a kip.

24hrs so a rather long break. But surely makes more sense just to put the trailers on and have another driver at the other end.
For me it kind of raises the question of why it wasn't already a route. It seems kind of wasteful to have a bunch of individual drivers driving across the UK and faffing with two ferry crossings when you can just put everything on a boat for the whole journey. In general, transport by water is more economical.

 

[Pickman's model]

24hrs so a rather long break. But surely makes more sense just to put the trailers on and have another driver at the other end.
For me it kind of raises the question of why it wasn't already a route. It seems kind of wasteful to have a bunch of individual drivers driving across the UK and faffing with two ferry crossings when you can just put everything on a boat for the whole journey. In general, transport by water is more economical.

i look forward to the day when you're made people's commissar for water transport

 

[not-bono-ever]

24hrs so a rather long break. But surely makes more sense just to put the trailers on and have another driver at the other end.
For me it kind of raises the question of why it wasn't already a route. It seems kind of wasteful to have a bunch of individual drivers driving across the UK and faffing with two ferry crossings when you can just put everything on a boat for the whole journey. In general, transport by water is more economical.

Brittany ferries was a by product an ersatz Breton nationalist kinda vibe and links with Ireland and the SW played a role in the setup. The channel routes were sewn up by existing ferry operations and were at capacity. There was no need for a long run. DFDS are operating the new run as freight only to exploit the hassle of passage through a non EU country.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Also unaccompanied trailers face delays in embarkation and dumping at the other end as they need tractor units to run them to the various holding areas. I think cos if this, fees for stand alone trailer / reefers etc are higher that accompanied ones.

 

[not-bono-ever]

/dull logistics

 

[teuchter]

DFDS have said they intend to continue the route regardless of whether border delays settle down after the initial period. They've obviously decided it's commercially viable and it looks to me like the Brexit thing might have been more of a 'tipping point' than a sole determinant. It seems plausible to me that it's one of those things that might stack up either way, and hasn't happened before now due to intertia rather than anything else.

 

[gentlegreen]

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[not-bono-ever]

It’s always due to profit

rosslare will also be the recipient of EU grants And support I wager but not aware of the detail

 

[Raheem]

second home owners is one thing

ive got a friend whose moved out to Spain 4 years ago, rents and works, spends 11 months there - but still has only british citizenship etc
she may have sorted out her status ive no idea, but i imagine there are going to be others who get caught out in this kind of ruling

Think the three months will not apply for workers (provided they are able to keep their jobs).

 

[TopCat]

EU will not fall into Brexit 'negotiating trap', UK told

Irish foreign minister also calls for avoidance of blame game as ‘truth of Brexit’ becomes clear

www.theguardian.com

 

[TopCat]

"There can be no agreement unless there is one that gives sustainable and wide-ranging access to British waters … "

Why the fuck would the UK agree to that?

 

[TopCat]

Boris Johnson will get a deal: but it will be a betrayal of the Brexiters | Polly Toynbee

This is the moment when he’ll have to accept that no-deal is a disaster – and break all those fairy-dust promises, says Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee

www.theguardian.com

Polly lays down again her vision.

 

[Flavour]

I suspect she may be right, and that Boris will indeed sign something. I mean, what are they seriously banking on if not? That No Deal will be such a relative economic disaster for the EU27 that they'll come crawling back to the negotiating table with big fat promises to both a) stop fishing and b) continue buying fish from the UK?

 

[Artaxerxes]

Boris Johnson will get a deal: but it will be a betrayal of the Brexiters | Polly Toynbee

This is the moment when he’ll have to accept that no-deal is a disaster – and break all those fairy-dust promises, says Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee

www.theguardian.com

Polly lays down again her vision.

Based on Pollys track record we’ll be taking over France and rolling out sterling as the defacto currency of the US by January 2nd

 

[gentlegreen]

Is there a "quora" for a bill to pass if hundreds defy the whip and abstain ?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Is there a "quora" for a bill to pass if hundreds defy the whip and abstain ?

Does there need to be a quorum im the HoC, or just a majority of those who show up?

 

[gentlegreen]

So Labour MPs are being whipped to vote FOR the bill - rather than (presumably) abstain ? - given that the bill being voted down would mean "no deal"

What about the Tories ? Do they have the option of voting "NO" in order to force no deal ?

Please excuse my ignorance of such matters ...

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

DFDS have said they intend to continue the route regardless of whether border delays settle down after the initial period. They've obviously decided it's commercially viable and it looks to me like the Brexit thing might have been more of a 'tipping point' than a sole determinant. It seems plausible to me that it's one of those things that might stack up either way, and hasn't happened before now due to intertia rather than anything else.

Think of how many trucks will be removed from the UK's road, the M4, M25, M20/26 have a stream of Irish trucks trundling along, paying nothing towards this infrastructure, in most cases not even stopping to buy a Yorkie. And the emissions savings of shipping them to Dunkirk will be massive too. A Brexit success story.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Like whaling in Japan, fishing is a minor part of the big picture but massively symbolic in the EU. I believe the Johnson administration will cave on this.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Like whaling in Japan, fishing is a minor part of the big picture but massively symbolic in the EU. I believe the Johnson administration will cave on this.

Its also massively symbolic here so I assume noones going to blink and we're fucked.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Just cannot conceive trying to explain to someone a few years ago we're leaving the EU and we've not actually sorted out what happens afterwards with a month to go.

I don't particularly want to leave the EU but I could accept it if it wasn't all so fucking incompetently arranged and clearly rushed through with no actual objective at the end of it.

 

[andysays]

EU will not fall into Brexit 'negotiating trap', UK told

Irish foreign minister also calls for avoidance of blame game as ‘truth of Brexit’ becomes clear

www.theguardian.com

Who says the Irish don't do irony...