The big Brexit thread - news, updates and discussion

[sleaterkinney]

I dont mean to sound thick but I havent paid attention to brexit news (makes no difference in Turkey) but have a potentially silly question. Will things like cheese and chianti suddenly go up in price in the new year? If so ill stock up.. life has so few pleasures....

We’ll be able to get much cheaper Parmesan and Chianti, they just won’t be from Italy.

 

[weltweit]

As I understand it Barnier has offered tapering access to UK fishing grounds, tapering to no access in perhaps 15 years time. Seems quite positive to me.

 

[teuchter]

In 15 years none of the EU, the UK, or north sea fish stocks will probably exist anyway.

 

[eatmorecheese]

As I understand it Barnier has offered tapering access to UK fishing grounds, tapering to no access in perhaps 15 years time. Seems quite positive to me.

A tapered no access to fractions of zero. We don't have the stocks to sustain the Brexit fantasies of cod piled up as tall as a man on Grimsby quay.

 

[Pickman's model]

As I understand it Barnier has offered tapering access to UK fishing grounds, tapering to no access in perhaps 15 years time. Seems quite positive to me.

These would be the UK fg which will be largely controlled by foreigners anyway

 

[Badgers]

Perhaps it reflects more on the government’s poor communication throughout this process, and on the utter confusion across the business and logistics sector as a result. The government has known all along that this situation was inevitable, but admitting this – and communicating the necessary instructions to allow the country to prepare – would have meant admitting that Brexit was not going to be as promised. The government may still yet blame the EU, or business, or both for confusion but it is becoming clearer by the day that the failure to act decisively lays with the government.

Brexit: prepare for the worst, hope for the best

Another day, another parliamentary select committee hearing just how unprepared we are for Brexit. On Monday, it was the turn of the Lords EU goods subcommittee to hear evidence from industry experts. This is the same committee that last week heard industry experts express concerns that the...

yorkshirebylines.co.uk

 

[Badgers]

 

[Artaxerxes]

That looks overly long

 

[SpookyFrank]

That looks overly long

Init. Goes right past several other perfectly good French ports.

 

[brogdale]

That looks overly long

Half the Irish Sea & the whole channel; what could possibly go wrong in a Force 10 South Westerly gale?
A real vomit comet.

 

[DownwardDog]

Init. Goes right past several other perfectly good French ports.

Dunkerque's got the road links for getting to the rest of Europe. You're straight on the A16/E40 and into Belgium within 10 minutes. Germany or the Netherlands in a couple of hours.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Dunkerque's got the road links for getting to the rest of Europe. You're straight on the A16/E40 and into Belgium within 10 minutes. Germany or the Netherlands in a couple of hours.

On the ferry for an extra 6 though

 

[two sheds]

Half the Irish Sea & the whole channel; what could possibly go wrong in a Force 10 South Westerly gale?
A real vomit comet.

Particularly where the currents meet around the Scilly Isles

 

[MickiQ]

On the ferry for an extra 6 though

Yes but you would lose the drive through the UK plus no less than 3 passes through customs

 

[brogdale]

Yes but you would lose the drive through the UK plus no less than 3 passes through customs

I think the question was about the costs/benefits of using, say Cherbourg, to shorten the ferry crossing/lengthen the driving through France vrs using Dunquerque/Zeebruge longer ferry/shorter drive to get to the 'heart of Europe'.

 

[Roadkill]

I think the question was about the costs/benefits of using, say Cherbourg, to shorten the ferry crossing/lengthen the driving through France vrs using Dunquerque/Zeebruge longer ferry/shorter drive to get to the 'heart of Europe'.

I think it's just a matter of Dunkerque being better connected by road, perhaps coupled with the fact that this route will be taking traffic that currently goes Calais-Dover then across Britain to Fishguard or Pembroke Dock. Bad news for them, potentially.

 

[Dogsauce]

Some hauliers just drop the trailers on the ship then have another unit pick-up at the other end, saves paying a driver for part of the route. Also will likely run overnight so can be partly covered by a rest break.

 

[TopCat]

At least the added paperwork is creating jobs.....

Brexit Creates Jobs for Customs Staff in Eastern Europe, India

U.K. companies are turning to cheaper overseas labor to complete their post-Brexit customs paperwork, creating jobs in countries such as Romania and India due to a shortage of trained staff in Britain.

www.bloomberg.com

It's not a shortage of UK trained staff at all but simply a move to maximise profits.

 

[MickiQ]

It's not a shortage of UK trained staff at all but simply a move to maximise profits.

Why would anyone be surprised by this? These are essentially unskilled clerical jobs where the person would have to be trained from scratch to do it anyway. There is no existing knowledge in this country that would be lost by doing these jobs overseas from day 1. Only those roles that have to be in this country will be. Sadly that is now the world we live in.
Ironically within my own line of work I have noticed a tendency to start bringing jobs back from India since the demand for Indian engineers and programmers has resulted in their pay rising sharply and they are starting to price themselves out of a job.

 

[TopCat]

Why would anyone be surprised by this? These are essentially unskilled clerical jobs where the person would have to be trained from scratch to do it anyway. There is no existing knowledge in this country that would be lost by doing these jobs overseas from day 1. Only those roles that have to be in this country will be. Sadly that is now the world we live in.
Ironically within my own line of work I have noticed a tendency to start bringing jobs back from India since the demand for Indian engineers and programmers has resulted in their pay rising sharply and they are starting to price themselves out of a job.

Yay for globalisation yes?

 

[Pickman's model]

A tapered no access to fractions of zero. We don't have the stocks to sustain the Brexit fantasies of cod piled up as tall as a man on Grimsby quay.

One stack of cod beside the diminutive chancellor

 

[gosub]

Why would anyone be surprised by this? These are essentially unskilled clerical jobs where the person would have to be trained from scratch to do it anyway. There is no existing knowledge in this country that would be lost by doing these jobs overseas from day 1. Only those roles that have to be in this country will be. Sadly that is now the world we live in.
Ironically within my own line of work I have noticed a tendency to start bringing jobs back from India since the demand for Indian engineers and programmers has resulted in their pay rising sharply and they are starting to price themselves out of a job.

Wrong thread

 

[brogdale]

Anyone else reaching the view that people aren't panicking enough about what lies beyond midnight on 31/12?

#RatsAndRainwater

 

[Pickman's model]

Anyone else reaching the view that people aren't panicking enough about what lies beyond midnight on 31/12?

#RatsAndRainwater

The country's supplies of panic ran out a week ago

 

[MickiQ]

Wrong thread

Yay for globalisation yes?

Definite Nay for globalisation for a great many people both here and overseas but it's a real thing that isn't going away.
The ultimate irony being that many European countries have the strictest employment protection laws in the world, avoiding such things spreading to the UK was one of the appeals of Brexit for many of its backers.

 

[teqniq]

She woke up and smelt the coffee a litte too late I fear:

 

[Badgers]

Not 'trade' but gotta feel bad for those overseas second home owners

 

[gosub]

She woke up and smelt the coffee a litte too late I fear:

As we actually left 31/1/2020. I'm not sure where you are going with the 'a little late I fear' though thats clearly a pre Covid recording. The whole point of the transitional deadline of 31/12/20 was so people and businesses could adapt so the change was as seamless as possible. Yet here we are with a month to go and our political 'elites' arguing over the precise detail of the change. That's the coffee. At just about every turn over the last 4 years this has been badly handled

 

[Flavour]

Uk
(you can't get that stuff in Turkey unless you pay $$$$$$$$$ and travel half way across the country.)

Off topic but whereabouts in Turkey are you? I happen to know of some fantastic Turkish cheese makers to whom the process for making gruyere was introduced by the Swiss a century ago and they continue to make it.

 

[Chz]

I think it's just a matter of Dunkerque being better connected by road, perhaps coupled with the fact that this route will be taking traffic that currently goes Calais-Dover then across Britain to Fishguard or Pembroke Dock. Bad news for them, potentially.

My (French) in-laws have their summer home out near Cherbourg. There is no way the road infrastructure of the Cotentin could take it, and the link from Cherbourg to Le Havre is frequently at a stand-still as it is. You could argue for Le Havre over Dunkerque, but I think it's mainly geared for shipping things by barge up the Seine and doesn't really have the infrastructure either.