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[two sheds]

Following on from Truss' soya sauce triumph,

Liz Truss’s tariff ‘wins’ in her Japan trade deal are for products UK doesn’t export

Exclusive: Taxes cut on birds’ eggs, raw hides, fur skins and ultra-strong spirits – but UK does not export them anyway

www.independent.co.uk

Taxes cut on birds’ eggs, raw hides, fur skins and ultra-strong spirits – which the UK doesn't export

 

[platinumsage]

Perhaps they're in a parallel universe playing Elite and think they're trading Fur and Liquor/Wines between Lave and Orerve.

 

[alex_]

Perhaps they're in a parallel universe playing Elite and think they're trading Fur and Liquor/Wines between Lave and Orerve.

what they’ve been up too makes a lot more sense on this basis.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Everyone's favourite curry muncher is spending the evening pissing over Boris.




At this stage it's irrelevant as the conservatives are no longer split between the pro and anti EU factions they have been for last half century because the pro have been thoroughly whipped, but it's fun to read.

 

[teqniq]

This is just beyond ridiculous now

Johnson Presses on With Brexit Law-Break Plan After Lords Defeat

The U.K.’s House of Lords rejected government plans to break international law over Brexit, putting the onus back on Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who immediately vowed to push ahead with the legislation.

www.bloomberg.com

The U.K.’s House of Lords rejected government plans to break international law over Brexit, putting the onus back on Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who immediately vowed to push ahead with the legislation.
Peers voted late Monday to remove the most controversial parts of the Internal Market Bill, which gives ministers the power to unilaterally rewrite parts of the Withdrawal Agreement that Johnson signed with the European Union.
The legislation has prompted the EU to take legal action just as the two sides are locked in negotiations to strike a trade and security deal. But the prime minister has refused to back down over the plan, which the government has conceded will break international law in a “specific and limited” way....

 

[Flavour]

January will be interesting. Johnson is gonna soak up all the blame for how shit Brexit is so someone else can step in and keep Tory ratings up? Is that the strategy now? Seems like it

 

[ska invita]

January will be interesting. Johnson is gonna soak up all the blame for how shit Brexit is so someone else can step in and keep Tory ratings up? Is that the strategy now? Seems like it

i think 7 to 1 on Gove is a good bet

 

[MickiQ]

Everyone's favourite curry muncher is spending the evening pissing over Boris.




At this stage it's irrelevant as the conservatives are no longer split between the pro and anti EU factions they have been for last half century because the pro have been thoroughly whipped, but it's fun to read.

Never thought I would EVER find myself agreeing with the Prince of Greyness but the man is right

 

[editor]

Never thought I would EVER find myself agreeing with the Prince of Greyness but the man is right

Compared to what we've got now, Major was positively left wing.

 

[gosub]

i think 7 to 1 on Gove is a good bet
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Think Hunt at 12 is a better one. Head of Health Committee - can't not be enquiries into this years Covid fuckups and tories would rather pretend there weren't any

 

[ska invita]

This intervention is hilarious

Ian Duncan Shit told Channel 4 News:
"It's nothing to do with them and we will get on with our legislation.
"We are a sovereign nation, that's what we voted for.
"And therefore sovereign nations have the right to be sovereign."
"If I was Joe Biden, I would look to his own domestic problems rather than ours."
Asked whether that was a "polite butt out" aimed at Biden, he replied: "You can take it as you wish."

great trade deal negotiating
someones needs to remind IDS its the UK thats been acting desperate for contact with the US, not the other way around

 

[alex_]

Compared to what we've got now, Major was positively left wing.

and competent, with a cabinet full of top brains

 

[alex_]

i think 7 to 1 on Gove is a good bet
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Look at the price on next pm tho - rishi and starmer are neck and neck which implies Johnson will last full term

 

[SpookyFrank]

Look at the price on next pm tho - rishi and starmer are neck and neck which implies Johnson will last full term

Or that the people who come up with odds have no more knowledge what will happen than you or I. Brexit is still, somehow, completely up in the air. If Johnson can pull off anything short of a total catastrophe there then he'll probably have done enough to keep his job until the next GE, assuming he actually wants to.

For my money Johnson will stay on for the duration even though he doesn't actually want to, because he's too vain and narcissistic to do otherwise.

 

[Pickman's model]

Look at the price on next pm tho - rishi and starmer are neck and neck which implies Johnson will last full term

no it doesn't

we've been through this lots of times, about bookies' odds not being your actual probabilities

 

[MickiQ]

I don't believe BoZo will last the full term, the man just can't build consensus. Clearly with an 80 seat majority he doesn't need to build consensus outside the Conservative Party but he doesn't even really try with his own MP's. They will forgive him a lot in the short term because he has delivered a massive majority and revitalised their fortunes but with every cockup and fudge he delivers, I expect them to get more and more narked with his dictatorial style and the fact that quite frankly he not's actually very good at being PM.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't believe BoZo will last the full term, the man just can't build consensus. Clearly with an 80 seat majority he doesn't need to build consensus outside the Conservative Party but he doesn't even really try with his own MP's. They will forgive him a lot in the short term because he has delivered a massive majority and revitalised their fortunes but with every cockup and fudge he delivers, I expect them to get more and more narked with his dictatorial style and the fact that quite frankly he not's actually very good at being PM.

he's not very good at being a human at all

the sooner he's in penguin bellies the better

 

[Lucy Fur]

January will be interesting. Johnson is gonna soak up all the blame for how shit Brexit is so someone else can step in and keep Tory ratings up? Is that the strategy now? Seems like it

Johnson is a living walking shit sponge. I reckon about March will be peak saturation, and therefore the end of his use to the Tories.

 

[Pickman's model]

Johnson is a living walking shit sponge. I reckon about March will be peak saturation, and therefore the end of his use to the Tories.

He'd be more use dead than alive

I'm sure we all remember 101 uses for a john major

 

[Badgers]

Fresh Brexit border chaos fears as handbook to prevent meltdown on 1 January is delayed

Work on inspection posts for animal products crossing Irish Sea ‘has not yet started and will take up to six months to complete’

www.independent.co.uk

#ovenready

 

[Badgers]

 

[Badgers]

AMP and Axa offer £8.2bn in a second bid for Axa’s Asian unit - City AM

AUSTRALIAN wealth manager AMP launched a fresh £8.15bn bid for Axa Asia Pacific Holdings yesterday in a joint deal with French parent Axa, a year after its original approach. The move comes after rival bidder National Australia Bank pulled out of a deal to buy Axa’a Asian unit after the...

www.cityam.com

 

[ska invita]

to help display that:

 

[ska invita]

Interesting in that diagram that "probability too low to be able to assess" (signified by dotted lines) of Johnson insisting on maintaining the illegal parts of IM bill - considered a "theoretical" < what do i know, but I got the impression he's sticking with that.

 

[kabbes]

So there’s nothing to worry about — deal beats no deal by 44% to 43%. What a relief.

 

[brogdale]

Kent's Brexshit issues raise their ugly head again...

Post-Brexit lorry queues could make Kent 'toilet of England'



Some particularly fine buck-passing at the end of that piece:

A spokeswoman for the Department for Transport referred questions to Highways England. A spokeswoman for Highways England said: “We are working with a number of partners to put contingency plans in place.” But she referred questions about toilet facilities for lorry drivers back to the department and to Kent county council.

A Kent county council spokesman said waste clearance was the responsibility of district and borough councils.

 

[Supine]

^ it's a shit situation but the kent's voted for it

 

[brogdale]

^ it's a shit situation but the kent's voted for it

We've been over this soooo many times

 

[Winot]

Drawbridge up - no access to EU representation for British solicitors via Irish qualification unless they are resident in Ireland.

Ireland closes EU door to British solicitors

Law Society of Ireland review concludes that England and Wales-based solicitors will not be entitled to Irish practising certificates.

www.lawgazette.co.uk

 

[teuchter]

Drawbridge up - no access to EU representation for British solicitors via Irish qualification unless they are resident in Ireland.

Ireland closes EU door to British solicitors

Law Society of Ireland review concludes that England and Wales-based solicitors will not be entitled to Irish practising certificates.

www.lawgazette.co.uk

The headline says "British" and the article says "England and Wales"... which is it?