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[Artaxerxes]

Noooooooooooooo they lied to us

Government backtracks over false claim soy sauce will be cheaper after Brexit

Department for International Trade accused of ‘exaggerations and mistruths’

www.independent.co.uk

Really - what was the fucking point of the last years when we don't even get cheaper soya sauce? We gave them our cheese for nothing

It’s not for nothing, we get to watch a nation with a large lactose intolerant population fart a lot.

 

[philosophical]

In some sense that's true, but increasingly there is frustration with the antics of Irish Americans, and there is some downright loathing of emigrants who upped sticks and left because the 2008 great recession.

There is a loathing of the weepy fucks that cry about the home sod, who visit once in a lifetime and are shocked to discover that Ireland is not all comely maidens and cute hoors but somewhere that is increasingly more like everywhere else and increasingly not white and not catholic, and the vistors are seen as dupes to rip off with any auld tat.

Also the Irish Times is full of sad stories of people that left, only to return and finding it difficult to settle after so many years, the complaint being mainly that everyone has changed, that friends are no longer friends etc. The resentment being that they the emigrants, didn't suffer the austerity that Europe imposed.

Luckily, that doesn't affect those of us that left prior to the recession...

I suppose it is about different stages and circumstances.
My mother and her sisters left Ireland for the UK just after the war to go into nursing.
So my youth was spent going 'home' to rural Ireland (although I regard myself as a Londoner) and my immediate family had feet planted in both countries, indeed my brother is now in Ballycasey.
One legacy of my personal Irishness from roots in the far west, is a continual astonishlment regarding the notion of class which is so embedded and accepted over here, another legacy is that Irishness (and Catholicism) seems to mean a destructive expertise in the concept of guilt!

 

[gosub]

An independent Wales would almost certainly be part of the EU. I've never seen anyone, ever suggest the need for passports or ID at the Welsh border, or insist that people would have to carry biometric passports on their person.

Plus the passport is a million times cooler than the UK/English ne.

Passports are an ICAO thing, which is UN. And UN isn't in any great hurry to recognise split off states at the moment. Crimea cast quite a long shadow accord ing to a former Kosovan diplomat I talked to.

 

[gentlegreen]

Minister sparks concerns about pig semen after Brexit

A business minister has sparked concerns about pig semen after his comments on post-Brexit border checks within the UK.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk

 

[SpookyFrank]

Minister sparks concerns about pig semen after Brexit

A business minister has sparked concerns about pig semen after his comments on post-Brexit border checks within the UK.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk

Should ask David Cameron, he'll wank off as many pigs as you like.

 

[Raheem]

Should ask David Cameron, he'll wank off as many pigs as you like.

I don't "like" any pigs. What are you trying to say?

 

[MickiQ]

Minister sparks concerns about pig semen after Brexit

A business minister has sparked concerns about pig semen after his comments on post-Brexit border checks within the UK.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk

Do they actually ship pig semen across the border that is carried externally to pigs? I did not know that and now that I do, I feel I was better off when I did not.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Do they actually ship pig semen across the border that is carried externally to pigs? I did not know that and now that I do, I feel I was better off when I did not.

As I understand it livestock farmers are always selling the stuff on, though I'm more familiar with it being cow semen as its cheaper and more efficient for dairy herds just to buy it and then do the whole business artificially than rent a bull for a bit.

 

[Supine]

Now we've managed to secure soy sauce at the same price we already get it for what other golden delights do we have in store.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Don’t they wank off horses in to bin bags or something?

 

[Sprocket.]

Don’t they wank off horses in to bin bags or something?

Only if someone is getting paid a lot I hope!

 

[A380]

Yes please

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Great, so once again, just like with the anthems at home nation games we get the most boring one. The Scots get a Unicorn and Flower of Scotland, you lot get to belt out Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau and a fucking dragon. And what do we get? four bizarrely elongated Lions and a dirge not even royalists can sing properly.

Taking all the money and power barely makes up for that.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

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hmm

pending the independent feline republic of catford,

 

[Smangus]

Yay for SE6!

 

[andysays]

Yes please

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There's something a little ironic about someone who has regularly taken the piss out of Brexiteers supposedly all wanting British passports to return to their pre-EU colour and design getting all eager about designs for imaginary passports with some mythical beasts on them.

 

[editor]

There's something a little ironic about someone who has regularly taken the piss out of Brexiteers supposedly all wanting British passports to return to their pre-EU colour and design getting all eager about designs for imaginary passports with some mythical beasts on them.

Not sure where all this irony is coming from.

I've always preferred to stay in the EU rather than indulge this embarrassing shitshow of Brexit, and if England is determined to stay out of it, then I'd be happy to have a Welsh/EU passport. Plus it looks fucking cool which was actually the point, Mr No Humour.

 

[Badgers]

Shit news for the UK bike industry

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[Badgers]

More good news

Plant inspectors and rising prices: UK garden industry set for Brexit shock | Brexit | The Guardian

Nurseries say doubling up of regulations will mean a rise in costs and EU suppliers going elsewhere<br>

amp.theguardian.com

 

[andysays]

More good news

Plant inspectors and rising prices: UK garden industry set for Brexit shock | Brexit | The Guardian

Nurseries say doubling up of regulations will mean a rise in costs and EU suppliers going elsewhere<br>

amp.theguardian.com

Importing all our plants from industrial-scale producers in the Netherlands has never been a good thing.

It's actually had a significant negative impact on biodiversity and the spread of issues like ash die-back.

There is, or could be, a genuine opportunity for new local nurseries which actually produce their own plants with local provenance suited to particular local conditions rather then buying them all in from elsewhere.

(none of that means that I don't think the government aren't making a complete mess of Brexit generally, BTW)

 

[Dogsauce]

Is anything actual fucking going on then, or are we just going to find ourselves in WTO land before anyone knows what is happening? It seems to have disappeared off the radar this week, Covid dominating the news instead.

 

[Raheem]

Don’t they wank off horses in to bin bags or something?

They Wank Horses, Don't They?

 

[ska invita]

Is anything actual fucking going on then, or are we just going to find ourselves in WTO land before anyone knows what is happening? It seems to have disappeared off the radar this week, Covid dominating the news instead.

There's the theory the Tories are waiting for the outcome of the US election before knowing which way to jump (Trump-No Deal, Biden-Slim Deal). That's a simplistic formulation but I think there's some truth to it. We're leaving the EU and pivoting to the US, so the election does have huge significance.

Also supposedly they've gone a little into the tunnel, so neither side is briefing the press ATM.

 

[maomao]

theory the Tories are waiting for the outcome of the US election before knowing which way to jump (

Wonder which way they'll jump when the outcome is several weeks of chaos and uncertainty.

 

[ska invita]

Wonder which way they'll jump when the outcome is several weeks of chaos and uncertainty.

That would be funny.
I expect some chaos but I think the state beurocracy will kick in well enough and boot Trump out quickly if he's lost and refusing to go.
Tune in next week for another exciting episode of shit show

 

[Pickman's model]

Wonder which way they'll jump when the outcome is several weeks of chaos and uncertainty.

Or years of recriminations

 

[brogdale]

That would be funny.
I expect some chaos but I think the state beurocracy will kick in well enough and boot Trump out quickly if he's lost and refusing to go.
Tune in next week for another exciting episode of shit show

The deep state 'Union' vrs the insurgent armies of the trumpfederacy?

 

[maomao]

The deep state 'Union' vrs the insurgent armies of the trumpfederacy?

I listened to the 'It could happen here' podcast that Orang Utan was plugging a couple of months ago and am now convinced that it will be the catalyst for a genuine armed conflict. And it's not impossible.

 

[brogdale]

I listened to the 'It could happen here' podcast that Orang Utan was plugging a couple of months ago and am now convinced that it will be the catalyst for a genuine armed conflict. And it's not impossible.

With the 27 of the supra state backing one side and the UK the other?

 

[ska invita]

I listened to the 'It could happen here' podcast that Orang Utan was plugging a couple of months ago and am now convinced that it will be the catalyst for a genuine armed conflict. And it's not impossible.

i havent listened to it - will do
but i think for Trump to attempt a coup he'd need a lot of support - military, close cabal cabinet level, and within the republican party higher eschelons in general - I cant see it
are there some trump maniacs out there in the public - 100% - but they're a small squashable ineffective force
we'll find out tomorrow!

 

[Yossarian]

I listened to the 'It could happen here' podcast that Orang Utan was plugging a couple of months ago and am now convinced that it will be the catalyst for a genuine armed conflict. And it's not impossible.

I don't think it's escaped the attention of authorities in both the US and the UK that COVID restrictions can be abused to crush protests, as has happened in Hong Kong - not hard to imagine Trump declaring a nationwide and very selectively enforced lockdown for a couple of weeks after declaring victory.