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[littlebabyjesus]

What's that got to do with bacteria levels? What's wrong with irradiated produce? You know the process doesn't actually make food radioactive, right?

That's not the point. Not the point with chlorinating chicken either. The reason these processes are needed in the US is because standards further back in the process are so low that they cannot guarantee food safety without them.

And how is that going to affect us? Well its first and most important effect is to undercut those who don't need these processes. Allowing cheap US chlorinated chicken in to the UK without any kind of tariff creates a huge pressure on UK producers to follow suit and lower their standards as well, except that would mean not being able to export to places with higher standards, such as the EU. It's a really crap thing to happen to us, and if it happens it will be a very concrete example of Brexit fucking with UK producers.

 

[philosophical]

My understanding is that in the USA they can treat animals any old how because they can clean what's left of them after slaughter by washing the remains in chlorine.
From my vegetarian point of view behaviour like that is an expected progression in the life of a carnivore.
Maybe not consuming animals would be the best answer.
The so called better EU standards still ultimately lead to death.
This part of the debate looks like hypocrisy from the meat eaters.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

My understanding is that in the USA they can treat animals any old how because they can clean what's left of them after slaughter by washing the remains in chlorine.
From my vegetarian point of view behaviour like that is an expected progression in the life of a carnivore.
Maybe not consuming animals would be the best answer.
The so called better EU standards still ultimately lead to death.
This part of the debate looks like hypocrisy from the meat eaters.

That's a pretty stupid argument. All meat eating is wrong, therefore all meat production is equally evil? That's clearly not true.

 

[philosophical]

The end product of all types of meat production is death isn't it?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

... and that's the only thing that matters.

Will stop with you there. There isn't really a discussion to be had, is there?

 

[Pickman's model]

The end product of all types of meat production is death isn't it?

in the long run we're all dead
--keynes

 

[two sheds]

so you don't want all these animals to be born at all and have no life?

 

[Raheem]

If you're going to kill them one day, may as well torture them from birth.

 

[NoXion]

No it's not. (Oh yes it is). GM technology is controlled by people whose sole interest is making money.

As is a great deal of food production on this planet. That's the fundamental problem. Industrialised agriculture has the power to feed everyone decent food in good quantity, but we get the crap version because capital is the controlling interest, not people.

It would be the crap version with or without GM, irradiation, pasteurisation etc. It's not sustainable in its current form and adjustments will be made no matter what. I'd like to think that a push for a more democratic mode of production won't hamstring itself in the face of the coming challenges.

 

[Pickman's model]

Disingenuous bollocks from the megalomaniacal control freak.
'I speak for myself but.....' I seek validation from my imagined 'army' of acolytes.
BTW an assassin often kills where a sniper acts alone and may or may not kill, still you had the glorious dressing of calling me an Anders Brevik which probably excited you enough to get through a whole box of tissues.
If what I say does not interest you, or irritate you so much, you have the option to put me on ignore, and as for tired unfunny broken records your regular references to the South Atlantic are as tedious and boring as anything else on here posted by anybody.

i have the option to put you on ignore. you have the option to shut the fuck up or to post something original and thought-provoking. i'm not putting you on ignore as i wonder whether you'll ever manage to post something novel.

if you're going to describe yourself as a remainer sniper, a lone wolf no less, you shouldn't be surprised if someone takes you up on the description.

but wolves are generally sociable animals so i can only presume you've bored the rest of the pack to death.

btw i find nothing about you remotely exciting. my tissues remain in their box.

 

[andysays]

That's a pretty stupid argument. All meat eating is wrong, therefore all meat production is equally evil? That's clearly not true.

At least he's consistent.

 

[gosub]

Let's ban pasteurisation, it's just a way for Big Milk to sell more and increase their profits.

Sounds a bit French to me

 

[gosub]

At least he's consistent.

Hitler was consistent. It's not necessarily a virtue

 

[TopCat]

I said a disgrace not a flaw.
Desperate misrepresentation.

We can read your posts you know. Even us thick leave voters can see your blatant lies.

 

[Streathamite]

I am afraid you're wrong.
Indeed it was you who alluded to me being part of a very small army to which I likened myself as more likely to be a lone sniper.
Remember?
So over the hill rides pickmans model invoking Anders Brevik and lone 'assassin', and he or she is not misrepresenting?
You seem to be tuned in to your definition as to what is misrepresentation but conveniently sidestep it when practiced by him.
I would've thought a Socialist approach would be to treat equals equally. Your differentiating approach does not seem to chime with collectivist action to me.

oh fuck, I give up. You've missed the point by too large a margin to be bothered with. Life's too short. Are you really this thick?

 

[TopCat]

I was also thinking that.

I also have mixed race kids like the poster you’re responding to has mentioned, so interested in this perceived sneering.

Was I sneering at my own mixed race kids when I voted leave then?

 

[philosophical]

i have the option to put you on ignore. you have the option to shut the fuck up or to post something original and thought-provoking. i'm not putting you on ignore as i wonder whether you'll ever manage to post something novel.

if you're going to describe yourself as a remainer sniper, a lone wolf no less, you shouldn't be surprised if someone takes you up on the description.

but wolves are generally sociable animals so i can only presume you've bored the rest of the pack to death.

btw i find nothing about you remotely exciting. my tissues remain in their box.

Somebody said don't knock masturbation, it's sex with somebody I love. You probably get off marvelling at what you think are devastating witticisms or put downs, and I imagine your monologue goes 'pickmans babe, what are you like, legend!' as you reach for the bog paper.
I have never once likened myself to a wolf, that's your personal projection once again.
Your opinion as to originality or thought provoking is possibly something you could manage yourself first before demanding it of others.

 

[TopCat]

oh fuck, I give up. You've missed the point by too large a margin to be bothered with. Life's too short. Are you really this thick?

He is really that thick and has no self awareness of this salient fact. Perhaps he is Gavin Barwell in real life?

 

[philosophical]

oh fuck, I give up. You've missed the point by too large a margin to be bothered with. Life's too short. Are you really this thick?

Are you really a judge?
You and I do have one thing in common, we're both opinionated.
I hope that doesn't come across as judging you as you judge and indeed subsequently label others.
Well done for giving up.

 

[philosophical]

He is really that thick and has no self awareness of this salient fact. Perhaps he is Gavin Barwell in real life?

You voted brexit! And yet you go on about self awareness!
However thick you judge me to be is as nothing compared to your action.
How's Nige? Is Stephen Yakitty Lookatme your mate?

 

[TopCat]

You voted brexit! And yet you go on about self awareness!
However thick you judge me to be is as nothing compared to your action.
How's Nige? Is Stephen Yakitty Lookatme your mate?

Not Gavin B. Even more stupid.

 

[Pickman's model]

Somebody said don't knock masturbation, it's sex with somebody I love. You probably get off marvelling at what you think are devastating witticisms or put downs, and I imagine your monologue goes 'pickmans babe, what are you like, legend!' as you reach for the bog paper.
I have never once likened myself to a wolf, that's your personal projection once again.
Your opinion as to originality or thought provoking is possibly something you could manage yourself first before demanding it of others.

even in your insults you're disappointingly repetitive. i'll be honest with you, i have never found anything i consider a witticism or put-down here exciting enough to consider wanking over. that such a thought has crossed your mind reveals rather more than you might have liked to show, and none of it to your advantage. it goes a long way towards explaining your dreary posts about brexit, tho, if - as i now suspect - the lack of imagination in your posts about brexit extends to your behaviour in the bedroom.

wr2 to the wolf, you said you weren't an army but a lone sniper. a lone sniper also known as a lone wolf. any mental agility you had seems to have evaporated.

as to originality, after more than four years of you posting the same small repertoire of arguments which weren't persuasive when you embarked on your bore-a-thon i'd have thought even you would find them a tad tarnished. you haven't even tried to say 'perhaps it's dull but at least i'm right', indicating that you haven't sufficient faith in your convictions to try to throw them in my face.

 

[Pickman's model]

oh fuck, I give up. You've missed the point by too large a margin to be bothered with. Life's too short. Are you really this thick?

the difference between genius and stupidity is genius has its limits. i don't think we're anywhere near seeing the depths philosophical's stupidity descends to.

 

[Streathamite]

Not Gavin B. Even more stupid.

I've met Gavin barwell (down your way, unsurprisingly), and yes, he's thick!

 

[philosophical]

even in your insults you're disappointingly repetitive. i'll be honest with you, i have never found anything i consider a witticism or put-down here exciting enough to consider wanking over. that such a thought has crossed your mind reveals rather more than you might have liked to show, and none of it to your advantage. it goes a long way towards explaining your dreary posts about brexit, tho, if - as i now suspect - the lack of imagination in your posts about brexit extends to your behaviour in the bedroom.

wr2 to the wolf, you said you weren't an army but a lone sniper. a lone sniper also known as a lone wolf. any mental agility you had seems to have evaporated.

as to originality, after more than four years of you posting the same small repertoire of arguments which weren't persuasive when you embarked on your bore-a-thon i'd have thought even you would find them a tad tarnished. you haven't even tried to say 'perhaps it's dull but at least i'm right', indicating that you haven't sufficient faith in your convictions to try to throw them in my face.

Ha ha. So you consider yourself to be a purveyor of witticisms and put downs. I was right about that, even if you declare you don't wank yourself into a stupor of self congratulation.
I have my doubts about that as you and others here seem desperate for some kind of validation.
Witticisms and put downs.
Crack on.

 

[teqniq]

Proper broken record territory. Again.

 

[Pickman's model]

Ha ha. So you consider yourself to be a purveyor of witticisms and put downs. I was right about that

no, you weren't

that i think that several times over the past seventeen years i have posted things i consider witticisms or put-downs doesn't make me a purveyor of them. you are a purveyor of pococurantism, you operate an emporium of ennui. and that nobody can deny.

 

[philosophical]

no, you weren't

that i think that several times over the past seventeen years i have posted things i consider witticisms or put-downs doesn't make me a purveyor of them. you are a purveyor of pococurantism, you operate an emporium of ennui. and that nobody can deny.

Dicks on the table time now is it?
Well you can put yours on the slab and measure it against the length of words your Thesauras unearths, I don't feel your kind of urges to play that game.
Crack on with your self declared witticisms and put downs. Your superciliousness is probably some kind of therapy for you.

 

[Pickman's model]

Dicks on the table time now is it?
Well you can put yours on the slab and measure it against the length of words your Thesauras unearths, I don't feel your kind of urges to play that game.
Crack on with your self declared witticisms and put downs. Your superciliousness is probably some kind of therapy for you.

say what you want. your words cannot hurt me.

purveyor

there is no way back from introducing the word 'purveyor' into a thread

it is the mark of the no-mark

 

[philosophical]

say what you want. your words cannot hurt me.
there is no way back from introducing the word 'purveyor' into a thread

it is the mark of the no-mark

There is no way back from declaring you are witty and capable of put downs on a thread.
What next? 'I am a people person'? 'I am handsome'? 'I am generous to a fault?'