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[philosophical]

Yes, i recognise all that from your early posts on urban and there's nothing new there at all

Your challenge was to talk about brexit.
I have done so.
Nobody has anything particularly 'new' to say because it was a binary choice which now seems to be set in stone.
You seem to have nothing to say whatsoever, new or old.

 

[andysays]

Not a Brexit news day today, is it?

Funnily enough

Brexit: Time for trade deal getting short, PM warns

Boris Johnson has been clear with the EU that the time left to get a post-Brexit trade deal in place is in "short supply", Downing Street says. The prime minister has set a deadline of this Thursday, after which he has said the UK is ready to "walk away".

 

[Marty1]

OK brexit.
I wonder at which point we will diverge (although I suppose it is a given that we think of each other as cunts).
Your mate streathamite says what he or she has in common with you is a belief in class action.
Yet the line streathamite seems to have taken is that the pissed off were conned into brexit by mendacious forces who encourged them to blame the EU for the things that pissed them off. A great con if you like.
It is almost the Jesus position 'forgive them Lord for they know not what they do'.
So the next move is to build some kind of coalition or alliance to enable the pissed off dispossessed downtrodden class to fight back and build an ideal socialist future.
I think it is way too late for that.
All in the context that the brexit battle is over, and anyway politicians are paid to sort out the awkward details like (yes you guessed it) the Irish border and all the other stuff, and we need not be concerned any more about those details trust the state to be across all that.
Any divergence yet?
My approach is different.
I feel that to intimate to brexit voters that they were conned and didn't know what they were voting for is patronising. My stance is that brexit voters knew full well what they were voting for, that I think they are cunts for doing so, but that they won and should get on with it and own the problems and come up with the solutions.
People say that it is not reasonable to expect brexit voters to solve the problems they create. Yet some of them try with flaccid suggestions like the following.
We will have WTO rules, a deal, a border in the Irish Sea, an Australian Style immigration system, lorry parks in various places, no deal, it the EU want a border in Ireland then they can set it up, and a host of other wanky ideas say some of the Brexit winners. All the time the evil rich get more evil and more rich off the back of the chaos.
My response to all that is go on then, you won, make it happen if you can. My personal background noise is to be awkward, uncooperative and to heckle them as cunts every step of the way.
I certainly won't be saying there there poor thing, you didn't know what you were doing and deserve forgiveness and understanding. I am more likely to say you cunts have cleared the way for corrupt nationalistic reactionary racist forces.
I expect brexit voters to say something along the lines of 'so what? Tough if you don't like the rise of the far right because we fucking won!'

There you go, something to criticise and deconstruct to your hearts content. Don't forget the witticisms, the long words, the quotes from Shakespeare and the personal insults along the way.

What do you hope to achieve by heckling leavers as cunts?

 

[brogdale]

Funnily enough

Brexit: Time for trade deal getting short, PM warns

 

[Pickman's model]

Your challenge was to talk about brexit.
I have done so.
Nobody has anything particularly 'new' to say because it was a binary choice which now seems to be set in stone.
You seem to have nothing to say whatsoever, new or old.

jesus mary and joseph

this thread is "the post-brexit trade deal and transition period" thread

not the "let's post shite that was dull in 2016" thread.

i have fucking dozens of posts in this thread concentrating on the topic, on the post-brexit deal and transition period.

you seem strangely reluctant to discuss this aspect of the brexit clusterfuck but very happy to refight the battles of yesteryear

 

[philosophical]

Funnily enough

Brexit: Time for trade deal getting short, PM warns

Possibly some of the earliest consequences of the UK walking away might be an enforced no fly zone (has that been sorted?) or for an EU state to stop supplying 70% of the electricity Northern Ireland needs because that needs an agreement doesn't it?
One must hope for massive delays at borders because paperwork and checks need to happen, and the EHIC system falls apart as brexit voters wished for.
Well many still say they knew what they were voting for, and the UK will have full knowledge of EU rules because the UK previously played a full part in creating them.
Brexit voters can be pleased with no deal because along with their friend Dominic Cummings they can bleat that from crisis comes opportunity.
I hope they get the crisis they voted for.

 

[Pickman's model]

What do you hope to achieve by heckling leavers as cunts?

what do you hope to achieve by posting?

 

[philosophical]

jesus mary and joseph

this thread is "the post-brexit trade deal and transition period" thread

not the "let's post shite that was dull in 2016" thread.

i have fucking dozens of posts in this thread concentrating on the topic, on the post-brexit deal and transition period.

you seem strangely reluctant to discuss this aspect of the brexit clusterfuck but very happy to refight the battles of yesteryear

In the main your 'fucking dozens of posts' on this thread are one line reactions to others.
Maybe you can point me in the direction of your 'new' stuff.

 

[philosophical]

What do you hope to achieve by heckling leavers as cunts?

Letting off steam, and hopefully getting through to one or two of them that somebody somewhere still thinks they are cunts if they think all the fuss has died down.
Not a world shattering achievement but it'll have to do for now.

 

[Marty1]

Letting off steam, and hopefully getting through to one or two of them that somebody somewhere still thinks they are cunts if they think all the fuss has died down.
Not a world shattering achievement but it'll have to do for now.

Fair enough but don’t let it devour you. Regardless of your position, Brexit hysteria that is pumped out through the media 24/7 is a poor media diet of grim imo.

 

[philosophical]

Fair enough but don’t let it devour you. Regardless of your position, Brexit hysteria that is pumped out through the media 24/7 is a poor media diet of grim imo.

I am old. Grim is my stock in trade these days.
Mind you there might be an interesting diversion from TopCat who enquired about my remaining teeth.

 

[Pickman's model]

In the main your 'fucking dozens of posts' on this thread are one line reactions to others.
Maybe you can point me in the direction of your 'new' stuff.

you criticise the form.

i criticise the content.

do you see the difference?

 

[Pickman's model]

I am old. Grim The same auld bollocks is my stock in trade these days.
Mind you there might be an interesting diversion from TopCat who enquired about my remaining teeth.

more accurate

 

[andysays]

Possibly some of the earliest consequences of the UK walking away might be an enforced no fly zone (has that been sorted?) or for an EU state to stop supplying 70% of the electricity Northern Ireland needs because that needs an agreement doesn't it?
One must hope for massive delays at borders because paperwork and checks need to happen, and the EHIC system falls apart as brexit voters wished for.
Well many still say they knew what they were voting for, and the UK will have full knowledge of EU rules because the UK previously played a full part in creating them.
Brexit voters can be pleased with no deal because along with their friend Dominic Cummings they can bleat that from crisis comes opportunity.
I hope they get the crisis they voted for.

I can quite easily picture you rubbing your hands together with glee at the lights going out across NI, massive delays at borders and shortages of essential goods in the shops.

You're apparently quite happy for any amount of suffering to result, merely so that you can point the finger of blame at Leave voters and say "I told you so".

 

[philosophical]

you criticise the form.

i criticise the content.

do you see the difference?

Well if you think your posts on this matter contains new content then prove it. I can't see any.

 

[Pickman's model]

I can quite easily picture you rubbing your hands together with glee at the lights going out across NI, massive delays at borders and shortages of essential goods in the shops.

You're apparently quite happy for any amount of suffering to result, merely so that you can point the finger of blame at Leave voters and say "I told you so".

i don't suppose it's his hands he's rubbing with glee

 

[philosophical]

more accurate

...and you moan about my posts not discussing brexit, yet this is what you manage.
Perhaps if you risked saying something, anything actually, containing your own 'new' reflections on brexit you might begin to slither towards interesting.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well if you think your posts on this matter contains new content then prove it. I can't see any.

i don't need to prove it. it's home time and i'm not hanging around to bandy words with a loon, ie you.

 

[philosophical]

I can quite easily picture you rubbing your hands together with glee at the lights going out across NI, massive delays at borders and shortages of essential goods in the shops.

You're apparently quite happy for any amount of suffering to result, merely so that you can point the finger of blame at Leave voters and say "I told you so".

Nailed it. Although it wouldn't be glee but unsurprised resignation.
Yes I would be glad to highlight the suffering because nothing else has worked in terms of reasoned argument from any quarter.
Maybe if there is enough suffering it would put paid to the Tories forever, that's one of my hopes anyway.

 

[philosophical]

i don't need to prove it. it's home time and i'm not hanging around to bandy words with a loon, ie you.

Yep best get off.

 

[Pickman's model]

...and you moan about my posts not discussing brexit, yet this is what you manage.
Perhaps if you risked saying something, anything actually, containing your own 'new' reflections on brexit you might begin to slither towards interesting.

this isn't a thread for reflections. I've seen yours and they're hideous. I've posted about the process as current events on this thread, Johnson as pm pissing away the time, his lacklustre negotiation skills, refusing to extend the transition period so now we're locked into 31/12/20... Things that were current when posted but obvs have aged since. But when you're asked you post up some auld shite that doesn't even mention Johnson, doesn't mention the trade negotiations, doesn't the transition period. I'll take no lectures from you on novelty.

 

[philosophical]

this isn't a thread for reflections. I've seen yours and they're hideous. I've posted about the process as current events on this thread, Johnson as pm pissing away the time, his lacklustre negotiation skills, refusing to extend the transition period so now we're locked into 31/12/20... Things that were current when posted but obvs have aged since. But when you're asked you post up some auld shite that doesn't even mention Johnson, doesn't mention the trade negotiations, doesn't the transition period. I'll take no lectures from you on novelty.

It is you who indulges in the lecturing and believes you have the right to quality control the posts of others.

 

[eatmorecheese]

It is you who indulges in the lecturing and believes you have the right to quality control the posts of others.

Jeez, you seem to have got out of bed on the wrong side this morning. Have you been to the toilet?

(Puerile, I know, but that seems to be the level on this thread today...)

 

[Pickman's model]

It is you who indulges in the lecturing and believes you have the right to quality control the posts of others.

If only I could control your output the drivel you post would be a thing of the past.

 

[krtek a houby]

OK brexit.
I wonder at which point we will diverge (although I suppose it is a given that we think of each other as cunts).
Your mate streathamite says what he or she has in common with you is a belief in class action.
Yet the line streathamite seems to have taken is that the pissed off were conned into brexit by mendacious forces who encourged them to blame the EU for the things that pissed them off. A great con if you like.
It is almost the Jesus position 'forgive them Lord for they know not what they do'.
So the next move is to build some kind of coalition or alliance to enable the pissed off dispossessed downtrodden class to fight back and build an ideal socialist future.
I think it is way too late for that.
All in the context that the brexit battle is over, and anyway politicians are paid to sort out the awkward details like (yes you guessed it) the Irish border and all the other stuff, and we need not be concerned any more about those details trust the state to be across all that.
Any divergence yet?
My approach is different.
I feel that to intimate to brexit voters that they were conned and didn't know what they were voting for is patronising. My stance is that brexit voters knew full well what they were voting for, that I think they are cunts for doing so, but that they won and should get on with it and own the problems and come up with the solutions.
People say that it is not reasonable to expect brexit voters to solve the problems they create. Yet some of them try with flaccid suggestions like the following.
We will have WTO rules, a deal, a border in the Irish Sea, an Australian Style immigration system, lorry parks in various places, no deal, it the EU want a border in Ireland then they can set it up, and a host of other wanky ideas say some of the Brexit winners. All the time the evil rich get more evil and more rich off the back of the chaos.
My response to all that is go on then, you won, make it happen if you can. My personal background noise is to be awkward, uncooperative and to heckle them as cunts every step of the way.
I certainly won't be saying there there poor thing, you didn't know what you were doing and deserve forgiveness and understanding. I am more likely to say you cunts have cleared the way for corrupt nationalistic reactionary racist forces.
I expect brexit voters to say something along the lines of 'so what? Tough if you don't like the rise of the far right because we fucking won!'

There you go, something to criticise and deconstruct to your hearts content. Don't forget the witticisms, the long words, the quotes from Shakespeare and the personal insults along the way.

It's not "the Irish border".

It's a British border, imposed on Ireland.

 

[philosophical]

It's not "the Irish border".

It's a British border, imposed on Ireland.

Absolutely.
I used to write 'the land border in Ireland' and that became a bit of a faff, but I agree with you completely.
After all these years the brexit coalition (?) has still not come up with a solution to the conundrum.
Those who moan that I should not mention it any more would not make the conundrum disappear by making me or my posts disappear.
However moaning at me is a distraction technique from those in favour of brexit who haven't the wit or intelligence themselves to solve their own problem, yet laughingly they accuse me of stupidity.

 

[philosophical]

If only I could control your output the drivel you post would be a thing of the past.

'If only I could control'.
Pickman's lament.
Bless.

 

[philosophical]

Jeez, you seem to have got out of bed on the wrong side this morning. Have you been to the toilet?

(Puerile, I know, but that seems to be the level on this thread today...)

I have been to the bog yes.
FYI I am very careful not to initiate personal abuse, but always respond if it is thrown in my direction.
Would you like to enquire as to what TopCat was getting at asking me about if I had any teeth?
Or Pickman's model likening me to Anders Breivik?

 

[TopCat]

If you're suggesting violence I live in Lewisham. Where and when do you suggest?

Ha my home borough!

I expect to be able to recognise you given your stated life purpose to call over half the country racist cunts. You must get regularly in scuffles. Missing teeth and bruises?

I wont put you on ignore given you consistently represent the worst of the remainer attitudes. It's important to remember the effect on our lives that people like you had.

 

[Ax^]

Fair enough but don’t let it devour you. Regardless of your position, Brexit hysteria that is pumped out through the media 24/7 is a poor media diet of grim imo.

says the guy who quoted the daily express lately ...