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[philosophical]

The remainers' anders breivik

Now then.

 

[philosophical]

very simply. find a new hobby horse as you've nothing new to say about this one

As opposed to having nothing to say at all.
'find a new hobby horse' is a good one. Has anybody ever suggested that you can be a bit of a control freak?

 

[Serge Forward]

To be fair, you are fucking tedious. For the record, I voted remain in that meaningless shambles, but the EU is cack, the UK is cack and you banging on about everybody who didn't vote your way is a massive streaming pile of cack.

 

[philosophical]

To be fair, you are fucking tedious. For the record, I voted remain in that meaningless shambles, but the EU is cack, the UK is cack and you banging on about everybody who didn't vote your way is a massive streaming pile of cack.

Put me on ignore.

 

[Streathamite]

I doubt I will ever be part of an army, more a lone sniper type.

Unfortunately, snipers never, ever win anything worth winning, all by themselves.

 

[Supine]

By your logic, anybody who ever disagrees with you on any political issue, ever, is your 'enemy', implacable and eternal.
If you take that to its' logical conclusion. You are going to end up in a very small army, facing a vastly larger one. And losing every time.

You could be talking about the far left with that tbh

 

[Streathamite]

You could be talking about the far left with that tbh

Absolutely. And how they descended into absolute irrelevance

 

[NoXion]

irradiated produce is gaining widespread acceptance of late in the great satan apparently. they have been pushing it for decades admittedly

What's that got to do with bacteria levels? What's wrong with irradiated produce? You know the process doesn't actually make food radioactive, right?

 

[Supine]

What's that got to do with bacteria levels? What's wrong with irradiated produce? You know the process doesn't actually make food radioactive, right?

It kills bacteria

 

[Raheem]

What's wrong with irradiated produce?

Well, why does it need to be irradiated?

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

No, but they use it because the processes and methods of food production which necessitate irradiation are inherently unhealthy, unhygienic, cost-cutting, lacking in care. Who cares if some food product is unsafe? Irradiate it, slosh some chlorine all over it. Sod the fucking environment, fucking food standards, fucking nutrition.

 

[two sheds]

animal welfare standards too

which you've anyway sort of covered

 

[Pickman's model]

As opposed to having nothing to say at all.
'find a new hobby horse' is a good one. Has anybody ever suggested that you can be a bit of a control freak?

You have nothing to say on the subject, you say it often and at great length. As for being a control freak, you're the only person here who has implied becoming a lone wolf assassin might be a means by which a cause you so sully might be advanced. You're the only person here to whom suggestions you've outworn your welcome on this subject appear to come as a surprise. People have been exceeding patient with you over the past several years but maybe now it is time for plain speaking as subtlety so clearly flies high over your head

 

[xenon]

What is over? That the whole of the UK will leave the EU on equal terms as indicated on the voting slip you reference?
Because you're wrong.
Deal with it.

I mean this in a nnice way. But do you ever actually properly read and comprehend posts made in reply to you. AKA did you miss the fucking obvious irony in Streathamite's post. Did you not read I don't know, any of his previous posts on this matter.

It's just disappointing is all. The comprehension, attention to nuance that seems so lacking.

 

[NoXion]

No, but they use it because the processes and methods of food production which necessitate irradiation are inherently unhealthy, unhygienic, cost-cutting, lacking in care. Who cares if some food product is unsafe? Irradiate it, slosh some chlorine all over it. Sod the fucking environment, fucking food standards, fucking nutrition.

I seem to remember racehorse meat in beef lasagne. Banning irradiation didn't do squat to prevent that. That sort of thing is prevented by a strong regulatory system that can resist capture by business interests.

Well, why does it need to be irradiated?

For the same reason that preservatives such as salt are added to foods. To improve their shelf-life. Salt has its own problems, but as far as I know irradiation doesn't do anything like that.

It's quite possible in my opinion that the kind of just-in-time distribution model currently in vogue could well pass away this century as events develop. The transition to whatever comes next is liable to be messy. Improving perishability seems a wise idea in such circumstances.

 

[Streathamite]

You have nothing to say on the subject, you say it often and at great length. As for being a control freak, you're the only person here who has implied becoming a lone wolf assassin might be a means by which a cause you so sully might be advanced. You're the only person here to whom suggestions you've outworn your welcome on this subject appear to come as a surprise. People have been exceeding patient with you over the past several years but maybe now it is time for plain speaking as subtlety so clearly flies high over your head

Agreed. I think Brexit is a national catastrophe, but the Remainiacs have become a massive pain in the arse, as bad in their way of the brexiteer ultras of c. 2015-2016. Of all the hills you could choose to die on, the EU should be pretty much the last choice for anyone on the left.

 

[philosophical]

You have nothing to say on the subject, you say it often and at great length. As for being a control freak, you're the only person here who has implied becoming a lone wolf assassin might be a means by which a cause you so sully might be advanced. You're the only person here to whom suggestions you've outworn your welcome on this subject appear to come as a surprise. People have been exceeding patient with you over the past several years but maybe now it is time for plain speaking as subtlety so clearly flies high over your head

Bollocks.
Lone sniper means lone wolf assassin to you when I used it in the context of not being part of an army.
Not only are you a control freak you post as if you're a spokesperson for the people.
What did you do, conduct a survey? 'people have been....' no less!
As the self appointed master or mistress of ceremonies here why don't you take my advice and put me on ignore. You can instruct everybody else to do the same
it might feed your megalomaniacal tendencies.
Crack on.

 

[philosophical]

I mean this in a nnice way. But do you ever actually properly read and comprehend posts made in reply to you. AKA did you miss the fucking obvious irony in Streathamite's post. Did you not read I don't know, any of his previous posts on this matter.

It's just disappointing is all. The comprehension, attention to nuance that seems so lacking.

Is there some kind of nuance in a plain choice between leave or remain? I don't think so, there are consequences. What I think frustrates others is that there are different opinions as to what motivated the leave vote. My opinion being merely one of them and streathamite's merely being another.
I am not as desperate as some others for acknowledgement as to my or their rightness or wrongness, I am more interested now in the consequences. Yes like the land border and the uptick in racist comments and abuse experienced by people I know since the vote amongst other things.
I will leave it to others to apply their faux expertise regarding the interplay between capitalism, or alt rightism or the conning of the ordinary person or whatever, and I won't dig them out for their musings.
Now crack on and judge some more.

 

[Streathamite]

Bollocks.
Lone sniper means lone wolf assassin to you when I used it in the context of not being part of an army.
Not only are you a control freak you post as if you're a spokesperson for the people.
What did you do, conduct a survey? 'people have been....' no less!
As the self appointed master or mistress of ceremonies here why don't you take my advice and put me on ignore. You can instruct everybody else to do the same
it might feed your megalomaniacal tendencies.
Crack on.

You really are both over-reacting, and misrepresenting what Pickmans has said here, to top off your frequent misrepresenting of what I posted.
Ther's nothing control freak about what Pickman's has posted.
There is a serious politicla difference between Pickmans and I; he's an anarchist, I am a socialist.
Howver, we have two common grounds that are interlinked; 1) class struggle 2) the importance of collectivist action to achieve common goals.
Neither of these seem to even slightly register with you.
That makes your politics deeply reactionary, which explains your misreading of what the EU actually is.

 

[Streathamite]

Not only are you a control freak you post as if you're a spokesperson for the people.
What did you do, conduct a survey? 'people have been....' no less!

No, he's just read the f-ing thread, ffs!

 

[philosophical]

You really are both over-reacting, and misrepresenting what Pickmans has said here, to top off your frequent misrepresenting of what I posted.
Ther's nothing control freak about what Pickman's has posted.
There is a serious politicla difference between Pickmans and I; he's an anarchist, I am a socialist.
Howver, we have two common grounds that are interlinked; 1) class struggle 2) the importance of collectivist action to achieve common goals.
Neither of these seem to even slightly register with you.
That makes your politics deeply reactionary, which explains your misreading of what the EU actually is.

I am afraid you're wrong.
Indeed it was you who alluded to me being part of a very small army to which I likened myself as more likely to be a lone sniper.
Remember?
So over the hill rides pickmans model invoking Anders Brevik and lone 'assassin', and he or she is not misrepresenting?
You seem to be tuned in to your definition as to what is misrepresentation but conveniently sidestep it when practiced by him.
I would've thought a Socialist approach would be to treat equals equally. Your differentiating approach does not seem to chime with collectivist action to me.

 

[gosub]

Nuclear option, don't fucking leave the EU.
Yeah there are flaws regarding the EU, but there are no benefits in leaving, none.
Oh hang on it pleases those who sing #two world wars and one world cup, there ain't no black in the Union Jack#.

It has been a utterly squandered opportunity I grant you

I am afraid you're wrong.
Indeed it was you who alluded to me being part of a very small army to which I likened myself as more likely to be a lone sniper.
Remember?
So over the hill rides pickmans model invoking Anders Brevik and lone 'assassin', and he or she is not misrepresenting?
You seem to be tuned in to your definition as to what is misrepresentation but conveniently sidestep it when practiced by him.
I would've thought a Socialist approach would be to treat equals equally. Your differentiating approach does not seem to chime with collectivist action to me.

Hiroo Onoda

 

[Pickman's model]

Bollocks.
Lone sniper means lone wolf assassin to you when I used it in the context of not being part of an army.
Not only are you a control freak you post as if you're a spokesperson for the people.
What did you do, conduct a survey? 'people have been....' no less!
As the self appointed master or mistress of ceremonies here why don't you take my advice and put me on ignore. You can instruct everybody else to do the same
it might feed your megalomaniacal tendencies.
Crack on.

Yeh. A sniper not part of an army is a lone assassin. You do know what snipers do, I suppose, so you know what you're suggesting here.
You can harp on about control freakery till you're blue in the face but you will yet learn that repeatedly saying something is so doesn't magically make it it true.
I speak for myself but a perusal of any thread on Europe to which you contribute finds your broken record style condemned.
I could instruct people to put you on ignore. Or you could find something dare I say interesting to say on the subject. Or you could stfu. My preferred option is 3, because I don't think you have the wherewithal for 2 and I'm not going to do what you say which rules out 1

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

I seem to remember racehorse meat in beef lasagne. Banning irradiation didn't do squat to prevent that. That sort of thing is prevented by a strong regulatory system that can resist capture by business interests.

That's the nub of this particular question. Irradiation, GM technology, chemical food production - it's all wanted by business interests, who don't want a strong regulatory system.
As regards horsemeat, true, irradiation didn't do squat to prevent that. Neither did seat belt regulation, or the invention of traffic lights.

 

[philosophical]

Yeh. A sniper not part of an army is a lone assassin. You do know what snipers do, I suppose, so you know what you're suggesting here.
You can harp on about control freakery till you're blue in the face but you will yet learn that repeatedly saying something is so doesn't magically make it it true.
I speak for myself but a perusal of any thread on Europe to which you contribute finds your broken record style condemned.
I could instruct people to put you on ignore. Or you could find something dare I say interesting to say on the subject. Or you could stfu. My preferred option is 3, because I don't think you have the wherewithal for 2 and I'm not going to do what you say which rules out 1

Disingenuous bollocks from the megalomaniacal control freak.
'I speak for myself but.....' I seek validation from my imagined 'army' of acolytes.
BTW an assassin often kills where a sniper acts alone and may or may not kill, still you had the glorious dressing of calling me an Anders Brevik which probably excited you enough to get through a whole box of tissues.
If what I say does not interest you, or irritate you so much, you have the option to put me on ignore, and as for tired unfunny broken records your regular references to the South Atlantic are as tedious and boring as anything else on here posted by anybody.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Snipers tend to be viewed as a bit strange, they also tend to have accidents far more often when captured by the enemy.

Nobody really likes snipers unless they are exceptionally charismatic.

 

[philosophical]

I doubt they're trying to win a popularity contest, more likely they are attracted to autonomy.

 

[NoXion]

That's the nub of this particular question. Irradiation, GM technology, chemical food production - it's all wanted by business interests, who don't want a strong regulatory system.

All food production is chemical. Food is made of chemicals. Irradiation kills pathogens and prolongs shelf life without adding a whole bunch of salt, which would effect the flavour. Genetic modification has many more applications.

Focusing on and/or banning particular methods; or even more extreme, dismissing an entire field of applied biotechnology as mere profit-seeking, as you appear to be doing, is missing the fucking point.

 

[NoXion]

Let's ban pasteurisation, it's just a way for Big Milk to sell more and increase their profits.

 

[Kevbad the Bad]

even more extreme, dismissing an entire field of applied biotechnology as mere profit-seeking, as you appear to be doing, is missing the fucking point.

No it's not. (Oh yes it is). GM technology is controlled by people whose sole interest is making money. They're not bothered about feeding the world, improving nutrition in poor countries, protecting the environment or any of that stuff. They want money, power and control.
As a technology GM may have its uses, but you only have to look at how industrialised agriculture is destroying societies around the world, impacting biodiversity, ruining soil fertility etc etc to see how GM will be used in the future. Not to the benefit of humanity or the planet.