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).Of course there'll be a market, but it's not and won't be large enough. The langoustine fishery is overwhelmingly dependent on exports, and if they become unviable the boats will either have to catch something else or tie up. That applies to much of the shellfish sector.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Good news for the langoustine.
Good news for the langoustine.
But not such good news for whatever species they move onto. There's a lot of catching power in that fleet. Or, if there's nothing to move on to, not good news for the fishermen, or the fishing ports where there aren't many alternative jobs.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yeah, I know...suppose just pretending there might be a sliver of good news amongst the unrelenting shitshow....you know.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
UK fishermen wont have EU boats taking 65 % of the fish.
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
Which is why although fishing industry was pro-Brexit, the fish processing industry was against it.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
This may be a joke but I can well imagine queues of lorries building up in the surrounding counties waiting to get into Kent and some of especially the GLC getting mardy about it. What happens with lorries whose final destination is Kent not Europe? Will they need permission to enter the county, this is another knee jerk reaction that isn't being thought through
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Most fish caught in UK goes to the EU regardless of who catches it so there won't be many UK boats taking them either which will probably benefit the fish but not the fishermen.
UK fishermen are repeating crap old arguments that have flared up periodically since the nineteenth century, and refusing to see that, although the CFP is a pain in the arse, it's an imperfect solution to a very real problem that won't go away irrespective of what happens with Brexit.
Precisely. But then, the industry as a whole - taking in catching, processing and distribution - has always been fractious and divided, and good at falling out with itself.
Not a chance. It's a myth that EEC accession crippled the fishing industry anyway.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i can't see people in eg grimsby taking to the water again. anyone who has visited the fishing heritage centre there will know what a tough life it was fishing.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i imagine some aged former members of the glc will get mardy about it. but as the glc hasn't existed since 1986 no one will care.
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
Ah the world's greatest nitpicker strikes again, the GLA then.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
the world's doziest observer of london government takes a reddener again and doesn't like it
the gla may froth, but what powers do they have to do anything about it?
not-bono-ever
meh
IIRC, the 70's collapse was on the back of a huge ( not exactly clear why) upward blip in North Sea fish stocks during the 60's- the stocks were not there to support the scale of harvest that was considered normal. EEC aside, it was not sustainable anyway.WRT to langoustine issue- the catch is getting older, suggesting that it is imperiled long term anyway. The locals in the western isles cannot afford to eat their catch, its very much export driven. We really shouldnt be eating this stuff of we were bothered about its longevity - thats not going to happen though.
Yup this ^
There are trawlers tearing up the ocean floor, reefs and anything living in the sea.
Fishing 'litter' is (unless things have changed) the biggest ocean polluter.
Farming is questionable but more forgivable, whereas this is global climate destruction at it's very worst.
Tbf the 70s collapse was more like two or three contemporaneous crises in different sectors. You're absolutely right about the ending of the 'gadoid outburst,' but around the same time the distant-water fleets lost access to some of their best hunting grounds around Iceland, and the North Sea herring stock collapsed a few years later due to massive overfishing. Shit times all round for the fishing industry, and very little of it had anything to do with EEC membership!
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
That's the kind of entrepreneurial spirit that this country is going to need in the dark days ahead.
You'd be surprised how much nostalgia for it there is, tbh, although that's not to say those who indulge in it would enjoy the reality of having to stand watch in a black frost 300 miles north of the Arctic Circle!
not-bono-ever
meh
Jonathon meades has a great series on the herring line- a kind of northern olive line - about the importance of the herring to the development of society, industry and its impact on culture and architecture ( obviously). its on Vimeo if you have a couple of hours to waste
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not-bono-ever
meh
as you obviously know, the Gaul tale still strikes a chord in the area-the reality was grim
Nostalgia is going well in the UK at the moment
not-bono-ever
meh
nostalgia is the future
Sadly that seems the case
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh there's a tonne of nostalgia. but very little desire to go to sea however that's defined
Tbh the Gaul is one of the things that got me interested in fishing. Back in 1997 I worked in an arcade in a seaside town near Hull, and one of the women I worked with had lost her husband on the Gaul. The wreck had just been located and the local paper was full of it, including the conspiracy theories about her having been torpedoed or arrested by the Russians. Jean found it all quite distressing. So far as she was concerned she'd lost her husband in a tragic accident, and those peddling ideas the crew might still be alive somewhere were just prolonging the pain for all concerned.
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