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[not-bono-ever]

It was pretty obvious that Johnson was always a badly stuffed bullet catcher for the party

 

[SpookyFrank]

It was pretty obvious that Johnson was always a badly stuffed bullet catcher for the party

Not obvious to him apparently. Even despite the evidence of May's glory-soaked tenure as brexit patsy.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Not obvious to him apparently. Even despite the evidence of May's glory-soaked tenure as brexit patsy.

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The best patsys are the ignorant ones

 

[Flavour]

Good job Labour are setting out such a clear and attractive vision of a post-Brexit UK that gives us all reason to be at least slightly hopeful that in the aftermath of the 2024 election a monumental corner will have been rounded!!

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Labour feel totally absent from the debate. It is left to Tories to oppose Brexit. Lord help me but Heseltine speaks sense in this article. Not too much of substance to disagree with - from a rational r/w pov like Heseltine's, Brexit is utter madness.

Brexit is the worst decision of modern times. Why are its critics in cabinet so silent? | Michael Heseltine

His call at the end for decentralisation of decision-making is of course correct, and also of course massively hypocritical given what his government did.

 

[not-bono-ever]

 

[ska invita]

massively hypocritical given what his government did.

not just on squashing municipalism, but seeding so much nationalist sentiment in their time in office....shit pigeons home to roost

 

[brogdale]

I've bored people with this before, but I do think it is telling that elements on the right in this country were organising anti (then) EEC lobby groups/think tanks some 12 years before the UK acceded to the supra-state in 1973.

As exemplified by...

One of the earliest groups formed against British involvement in Europe was the Conservative Party-based Anti-Common Market League, whose president Victor Montagu declared that opponents of the Common Market did not want to "subject [themselves] to a lot of frogs and huns".

Led, as President from 1962–84, President Victor Montagu ; (Alexander Victor Edward Paulet Montagu) formerly known as Viscount Hinchingbrooke and the Earl of Sandwich. This predecessor of Farage being an aristocratic, old Etonian/Oxbridge, Armed Forces, Right-wing Monday club member and paedophile.

 

[two sheds]

Johnson's blinked?

Brexit trade deal possible within days after Johnson concession, says EU

Barnier says PM’s acceptance of need for ‘evolution clause’ as standards diverge has unlocked talks

www.theguardian.com

A post-Brexit trade and security deal could be sealed as early as this week after Boris Johnson made a key concession over the weekend, the EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, has told the bloc’s ambassadors in Brussels.

Barnier said the prime minister’s acceptance of the need for a treaty-level mechanism to ensure fair competition as regulatory standards diverge over time had unlocked the talks. His comments came despite suggestions from Downing Street that a no-deal exit remains likely.


Barnier warned, however, that the negotiations on EU access to British fishing waters had gone backwards. The UK tabled a paper on fisheries Monday only to take it off the negotiating table on Thursday, he claimed.

 

[teqniq]

Following the discussions on here, yesterday, about on-going the stability of the Johnson regime, it will be interesting to see if any/how many backwoodsmen like Gale actually join with calls for Johnson's replacement if the outcome is ND...


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'honourable man' lol. Shurely there must be some mistake?

 

[Pickman's model]

'honourable man' lol. Shurely there must be some mistake?

the reference is to this speech by mark antony in shakespeare's 'julius caesar'

Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with Caesar. The noble Brutus
Hath told you Caesar was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Caesar answer’d it.
Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest–
For Brutus is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men–
Come I to speak in Caesar’s funeral.
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man.
He hath brought many captives home to Rome
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:
Did this in Caesar seem ambitious?
When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man.
You all did see that on the Lupercal
I thrice presented him a kingly crown,
Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And, sure, he is an honourable man.
I speak not to disprove what Brutus spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Caesar,
And I must pause till it come back to me.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

the reference is to this speech by mark antony in shakespeare's 'julius caesar'

Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with Caesar. The noble Brutus
Hath told you Caesar was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Caesar answer’d it.
Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest–
For Brutus is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men–
Come I to speak in Caesar’s funeral.
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man.
He hath brought many captives home to Rome
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:
Did this in Caesar seem ambitious?
When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man.
You all did see that on the Lupercal
I thrice presented him a kingly crown,
Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And, sure, he is an honourable man.
I speak not to disprove what Brutus spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Caesar,
And I must pause till it come back to me.

The Carry On version was better.

 

[teqniq]

the reference is to this speech by mark antony in shakespeare's 'julius caesar'

Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.
The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with Caesar. The noble Brutus
Hath told you Caesar was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Caesar answer’d it.
Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest–
For Brutus is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men–
Come I to speak in Caesar’s funeral.
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man.
He hath brought many captives home to Rome
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:
Did this in Caesar seem ambitious?
When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man.
You all did see that on the Lupercal
I thrice presented him a kingly crown,
Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And, sure, he is an honourable man.
I speak not to disprove what Brutus spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Caesar,
And I must pause till it come back to me.

I dunno, it just looks to me as if he is mistakenly referring to Johnson as honourable. He makes no referrence to Shakespeare does he?

 

[Pickman's model]

The Carry On version was better.

sadly not all of it, but

 

[brogdale]

Some cheer on a grey day.

 

[Pickman's model]

I dunno, it just looks to me as if he is mistakenly referring to Johnson as honourable. He makes no referrence to Shakespeare does he?

if boris johnson said 'infamy! infamy! they've all got it in for me!' you wouldn't expect his next line to be 'like kenneth williams said in carry on cleo'

 

[teqniq]

if boris johnson said 'infamy! infamy! they've all got it in for me!' you wouldn't expect his next line to be 'like kenneth williams said in carry on cleo'

Johnson chats any old shit so nothing would surprise me.

 

[Pickman's model]

Johnson chats any old shit so nothing would surprise me.

he is perhaps the most repulsive individual to ever occupy number 10, and as you might imagine that's up against some quite stiff competition

 

[Roadkill]

sadly not all of it, but

They've missed out the Harold MacMillan gag!

 

[bimble]

This is exciting. Looking now like there will be some sort of deal after all but because of all the wasted time / brave brinkmanship we also get to find out for a short while what no deal looks like .?

Short no-deal period possible in January, says Barnier

The EU's chief Brexit negotiator has told member states that there could be a short no-deal period at the beginning of January even if a deal is reached with the UK in the coming days, RTÉ News understands.

www.rte.ie

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

This is exciting. Looking now like there will be some sort of deal after all but because of all the wasted time / brave brinkmanship we also get to find out for a short while what no deal looks like .?

Short no-deal period possible in January, says Barnier

The EU's chief Brexit negotiator has told member states that there could be a short no-deal period at the beginning of January even if a deal is reached with the UK in the coming days, RTÉ News understands.

www.rte.ie

 

[andysays]

This is exciting. Looking now like there will be some sort of deal after all but because of all the wasted time / brave brinkmanship we also get to find out for a short while what no deal looks like .?

Short no-deal period possible in January, says Barnier

The EU's chief Brexit negotiator has told member states that there could be a short no-deal period at the beginning of January even if a deal is reached with the UK in the coming days, RTÉ News understands.

www.rte.ie

So it's Deal and No Deal...

 

[The39thStep]

he is perhaps the most repulsive individual to ever occupy number 10, and as you might imagine that's up against some quite stiff competition

More repulsive than Thatcher?

 

[Pickman's model]

More repulsive than Thatcher?

do you know, i think he might be

 

[Smangus]

if boris johnson said 'infamy! infamy! they've all got it in for me!' you wouldn't expect his next line to be 'like kenneth williams said in carry on cleo'

He would of course sprinkle some cod Latin phrases in there for good measure.

 

[Pickman's model]

He would of course sprinkle some cod Latin phrases in there for good measure.

tbh i wouldn't be surprised if his phrases were less than apposite and more like delboy's 'mange tout, rodders'

 

[Serge Forward]

He would of course sprinkle some cod Latin phrases in there for good measure.

Odcay atinlay?

 

[Raheem]

tbh i wouldn't be surprised if his phrases were less than apposite and more like delboy's 'mange tout, rodders'

Ah, digitos piscibus, amicus meus.

 

[Badgers]

do you know, i think he might be

A close call but I think you are right here.

Thatcher was an awful cunt but didn't hide it. She also had (cruel but still) a bit of a brain.

This cunt fails on everything, is still a cunt but pretends to be your mate.

 

[TopCat]

Thatcher was worse thus far...