The American mass shooting thread

[Lurdan]

NBC revise their figures:

The number of people believed to be killed in the shootings is 15 to 20, according to law enforcement sources. NBC News earlier reported that 22 people had been killed, citing a Lewiston police source. Up to 50 people may be injured, not all of whom were shot. Some reportedly had injuries from a stampede, the sources said.

 

[krtek a houby]

grim news but you can all ready heard the chorus of NRA type point going see if mental illness not guns that kill people

Whereas NRA types posting Xmas cards with their whole family armed to the teeth displays sound mental health...

 

[Ax^]

already looked and you also have the "well if I was there with my gun",

like a trained armed firearm instructor is going be stop by the some with a camo wrap gun and a ridge wallet

 

[Pickman's model]

Whereas NRA types posting Xmas cards with their whole family armed to the teeth displays sound mental health...

To be fair i don't think many nra members go out and shoot lots of people

 

[Pickman's model]

already looked and you also have the "well if I was there with my gun",

like a trained armed firearm instructor is going be stop by the some with a camo wrap gun and a ridge wallet

Have you heard of Stephen willeford?

 

[Ax^]

aye the good guy with a gun who taken about 70 years to have it happen once

a former nra weapon instructor so at least partly trained and not your run of the mill gravy seal

 

[PR1Berske]

Maine doesn't strike me as the usual place for this.

 

[isvicthere?]

grim news but you can all ready heard the chorus of NRA type point going see if mental illness not guns that kill people

But, as Eddie Izzard once pointed out, the guns help.

 

[isvicthere?]

Maine doesn't strike me as the usual place for this.

That´s another thing the NRA always bleat on about: even though there are several of these incidents every week (of which only the most dramatic get coverage) they occur in only 2% of US zip code areas(!)

 

[Ax^]

Maine doesn't strike me as the usual place for this.

if only someone could of seen it coming,
he was sectioned for telling people he wanted to shot up his national guard station

 

[two sheds]

That´s another thing the NRA always bleat on about: even though there are several of these incidents every week (of which only the most dramatic get coverage) they occur in only 2% of US zip code areas(!)

Perhaps they should start by banning guns in those areas

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

Then only the bad guys will have guns…

Etc. ad infinitum

 

[Silas Loom]

Maybe the US should ban thoughts and prayers? They apply them after every mass shooting and they don’t seem to be preventing recurrences. If anything they are exacerbating the frequency of these events.

 

[editor]

They still haven't found him. Hopefully he's blown his brains out somewhere.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-67225016

 

[editor]

For comparison, Lewiston has a population a similar size to Whitley Bay or Port Talbot so this is going to devastate the whole town.

 

[petee]

Maine doesn't strike me as the usual place for this.

in 2022, the total number of homicides in ME was 29. so no, it isn't.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

in 2022, the total number of homicides in ME was 29. so no, it isn't.

I looked up the number of murders per 100,000 people. Its 1.6. By contrast Nebraska is 3.6 per 100,000.

This one incident will nearly double the murder rate in Maine.

One small blessing in this is that they've revised the number of dead down to 18.

 

[Kippax180]

 

[phildwyer]

As Michael Moore says, Canada has just as many guns per capita as the USA, but it doesn't have this kind of thing (or nowhere near as much). Nowhere does. Gun laws aren't the problem, this is an indictment of the USA as a society.

 

[spring-peeper]

As Michael Moore says, Canada has just as many guns per capita as the USA, but it doesn't have this kind of thing (or nowhere near as much). Nowhere does. Gun laws aren't the problem, this is an indictment of the USA as a society.

Ah, but is Michael Moore correct?

Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[phildwyer]

Ah, but is Michael Moore correct?

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Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That's a weird statistic though. It reckons almost all the firearms in the USA are unregistered. It says its figure for unregistered arms is an estimate, but it's very precise for an estimate. And it gives the USA half as many registered firearms as Canada, with a population ten times as big. Surely that can't be right?

 

[Cid]

That's a weird statistic though. It reckons almost all the firearms in the USA are unregistered. It says its figure for unregistered arms is an estimate, but it's very precise for an estimate. And it gives the USA half as many registered firearms as Canada, with a population ten times as big. Surely that can't be right?

Some states prohibit firearms registries. Only 7 require them, and - on a quick skim of below resource - only for certain types of weapon.

Firearm registration requirements by state

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

 

[Pickman's model]

That's a weird statistic though. It reckons almost all the firearms in the USA are unregistered. It says its figure for unregistered arms is an estimate, but it's very precise for an estimate. And it gives the USA half as many registered firearms as Canada, with a population ten times as big. Surely that can't be right?

Of course it's not right but it is correct

 

[phildwyer]

Some states prohibit firearms registries. Only 7 require them, and - on a quick skim of below resource - only for certain types of weapon.

Firearm registration requirements by state

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

A 300-1 ratio still seems high though. And 24 states require a permit to carry:

Infographic: Which States Allow the Permitless Carry of Guns?

This chart shows U.S. state laws regulating the open and concealed carry of guns in the U.S.

www.statista.com

 

[Cid]

A 300-1 ratio still seems high though. And 24 states require a permit to carry:

Infographic: Which States Allow the Permitless Carry of Guns?

This chart shows U.S. state laws regulating the open and concealed carry of guns in the U.S.

www.statista.com

These are all quite specific things though... Permit to carry means in public. It's not a form of registry. At a guess it's simply because it's not really how the system operates except for a limited number of specific firearms in specific states. It does seem fucking batshit, but that's never stopped US gun owners before. The survey the figures are from appears to be reputable:

Small Arms Survey - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Cid]

There has been a lot of activism on a judicial/legislative basis around this recently too... Too much to do dig up, but e.g California trying to tighten up laws, Supreme court stopping them etc. That probably feeds into it. Some of these registries may be relatively recent.

 

[platinumsage]

As Michael Moore says, Canada has just as many guns per capita as the USA, but it doesn't have this kind of thing (or nowhere near as much). Nowhere does. Gun laws aren't the problem, this is an indictment of the USA as a society.

The US has way more guns than Canada: Estimated number of civilian guns per capita by country - Wikipedia

Consider also Brazil which has less than a tenth of the guns but more than twice the firearm death rate as the US.

 

[phildwyer]

Consider also Brazil which has less than a tenth of the guns but more than twice the firearm death rate as the US.

But surely that confirms that the problem is not the number of guns but social disfunction?

 

[Ax^]

But surely that confirms that the problem is not the number of guns but social disfunction?

So more Gun are the Answer


i've been saying it for years

 

[spring-peeper]

Interesting read

America’s gun problem: How 2023 is on track to becoming the most dangerous year

Maine in the US was left shell-shocked when a gunman killed 22 people and injured dozens in two shootings. This incident again throws the spotlight on America’s arms obsession – in the past nine months, there have been 565 such tragedies, making 2023 the deadliest year of gun violence

www.firstpost.com