The Alt-Right

[butchersapron]

The entire European far right tradition is soaked in him. It's like saying that hitler, odd one for nazis to like..

 

[Idris2002]

Well there was no end of after-war plans with some of them.

Hollow out Prince Philip and use him as a hat stand/umbrella rack.

 

[Casually Red]

It's worked well the times I've used it, but then I've always suspected that many fascists are wannabes and hangers-on, and that a good thumping scares them out of their stupidity.

Yeah..there are those without a doubt . The jokers . But the real ones are a death cult . I walked down a mountain path up in the forests in Norway one night with a proper satanist , nazi odinist who was just casually chatting away ..and after about 5 minutes I had grabbed a very pointy big stone and was just waiting for one fucking gesture...literally crapping myself .I was terrified . I was prepared to literally kill him because of his casual banter...but thought it more likely i was a goner . Genuinely in fear of my life because i was wearing a che t shirt .The real ones are really fucking dangerous . They will kill .

Look at the north of Ireland . There were absolute wankers..total mental weaklings ...committing the worst type of crimes against people because they were other . No matter how big the wanker the only inhibitor is the sea in which they swim . Hate...real hate...as opposed to mere prejudice ends up with dead people .
No...really..they're fuckingdangerous . I've met sone really dark ones and I have 2 mates who were nearly killed by them in supposedly safe settings...ice hockey match one night..another deliberately stabbed I the femoral artery while doing security on a club . They I'll definitely fucking kill .

 

[Athos]

Yeah..there are those without a doubt . The jokers . But the real ones are a death cult . I walked down a mountain path up in the forests in Norway one night with a proper satanist , nazi odinist who was just casually chatting away ..and after about 5 minutes I had grabbed a very pointy big stone and was just waiting for one fucking gesture...literally crapping myself .I was terrified . I was prepared to literally kill him because of his casual banter...but thought it more likely i was a goner . Genuinely in fear of my life because i was wearing a che t shirt .The real ones are really fucking dangerous . They will kill .

Look at the north of Ireland . There were absolute wankers..total mental weaklings ...committing the worst type of crimes against people because they were other . No matter how big the wanker the only inhibitor is the sea in which they swim . Hate...real hate...as opposed to mere prejudice ends up with dead people .
No...really..they're fuckingdangerous . I've met sone really dark ones and I have 2 mates who were nearly killed by them in supposedly safe settings...ice hockey match one night..another deliberately stabbed I the femoral artery while doing security on a club . They I'll definitely fucking kill .

What about the fascists you're comfortable standing shoulder to shoulder with at football in Germany?

 

[NoXion]

Yeah..there are those without a doubt . The jokers . But the real ones are a death cult . I walked down a mountain path up in the forests in Norway one night with a proper satanist , nazi odinist who was just casually chatting away ..and after about 5 minutes I had grabbed a very pointy big stone and was just waiting for one fucking gesture...literally crapping myself .I was terrified . I was prepared to literally kill him because of his casual banter...but thought it more likely i was a goner . Genuinely in fear of my life because i was wearing a che t shirt .The real ones are really fucking dangerous . They will kill .

Look at the north of Ireland . There were absolute wankers..total mental weaklings ...committing the worst type of crimes against people because they were other . No matter how big the wanker the only inhibitor is the sea in which they swim . Hate...real hate...as opposed to mere prejudice ends up with dead people .
No...really..they're fuckingdangerous . I've met sone really dark ones and I have 2 mates who were nearly killed by them in supposedly safe settings...ice hockey match one night..another deliberately stabbed I the femoral artery while doing security on a club . They I'll definitely fucking kill .

So this dude was a Norse heathen *and* a Satanist? I think one of you may be ever so slightly theologically confused.

 

[ViolentPanda]

So this dude was a Norse heathen *and* a Satanist? I think one of you may be ever so slightly theologically confused.

TBF, fascist/hard right "Odinists" or "Asatrur" are generally VERY theologically confused, as are the hard right Celticists. They tend to mistake their presumptions of "racial purity" in the Norse and the Celts for fact. Fact, of course, including DNA research over the last 30/40 years, shows us that not only did the Celts originate in non-Aryan territory, but that they were deeply promiscuous, as are most tribal groupings that are on the move. As for the Norse, several centuries of the practice of slavery, and the absorption of enslaved females into the gene pool meant that they absorbed Eurasian elements through their eastward explorations and conquests. Those hard-right wankshafts simply ignore that the cultures they worship as pure, were as hybridised as any cultures by influences they encountered and absorbed. They worship deities whose attributes have been as fluid as the cultures they come from.

As for Satanism, one has to be a Christian to be a Satanist. The "power" of Satanism for the individual is all about the transgression of Christianity. It doesn't work if you're not a Christian.

 

[NoXion]

As for Satanism, one has to be a Christian to be a Satanist. The "power" of Satanism for the individual is all about the transgression of Christianity. It doesn't work if you're not a Christian.

I don't think that one has to be a Christian in order to transgress Christianity. Certainly there are plenty of Christians who don't hesitate in judging non-Christians for their alleged transgressions against God's laws, and for myself I do find a certain intellectual amusement in pointing out that that we hardly, if ever, hear of Lucifer's side of the story, so claims that he represents ultimate evil sound a lot like unfounded propaganda.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

<snip> As for Satanism, one has to be a Christian to be a Satanist. The "power" of Satanism for the individual is all about the transgression of Christianity. It doesn't work if you're not a Christian.

There's some quasi-satanist stuff, I'm thinking of Order of Nine Angles - Wikipedia mainly, which sort of broadens that to transgression against society as a whole or something.

 

[rekil]

What about the fascists you're comfortable standing shoulder to shoulder with at football in Germany?

This a reference to the trips Casually Brown has made to Berlin over the last 10 years to see BFC Dynamo, a lower league club in Berlin, 5th tier until promoted to the regionalliga a couple of years ago. He used the BFC Dynamo logo as his avi on politics.ie where on top of his relentless homophobia, antisemitism, "anti-imperialist" jihadi cheerleading etc, his posts include support for the US confederacy derived from his hero worship of white supremacist John Mitchel (see Liam Hogan's Mitchel article), and the much iterated wish that the nazis had won the war on the basis that Ireland would be Brit free. Pertinent I think given that the nazis were in Charlottesville to whinge about the removal of confederacy statues.

Who are BFC Dynamo?

1.FCM (Magdeburg) have their troubles, but compared to BFC Dynamo, they're basically angels. To say that BFC Dynamo are the most hated club in Germany downplays how hated they are. They were champions of the DDR-Liga for 10 consecutive seasons in the '80s, though that wasn't difficult given that Stasi chief Erich Mielke was their president, ensuring players were funnelled into East Berlin and referees cajoled into giving Dynamo decisions. When the wall fell, they swiftly changed their names to FC Berlin and denounced the Dynamo days, but began to attract a following of similarly unpleasant types, in the form of neo-Nazis. As attendances dwindled, the team dropped through the divisions and went bankrupt, before re-emerging again as Dynamo, complete with stars on their shirt signifying the number of titles they had "won".

Lok Leipzig have fans that sing "Wir sind Lokisten, Mörder und Faschisten" ("We are Lokisten, murderers and fascists". And on their fence they hung a banner reading "Justice for Anders Breivik."

Their fans are best mates with the previously-mentioned bunch from Lok Leipzig, as well as Lazio of Rome, or Nazio, as they're known. They visited us in Babelsberg a few weeks ago — a fan was stabbed at the train station, and we were greeted with Nazi salutes and chants of "Arbeit Macht Frei - Babelsberg 03". It's painfully common at this level. I could go on all day about these incidents — Zwickau are also known for this shit — or even about the cops, who take out their frustration at being sent to watch dreck like Babelsberg by whipping out the batons and pepper spray whenever they get the chance, but you get the picture.

Soccerway says that their league attendances are between 300 and 1000. Attendances are higher for cup games and friendlies against higher league opposition. According to a German state report, despite the tiny attendances, they have about one third of all the city's hoolis amongst their fan base, in between Hertha Berlin whose attendances average around 50000 per home game and Union Berlin (avg 20000). They have over 50% of the 'particularly violent' category.

Spoiler: Berlin hooli stats

They have links to other fascist hoolis as this 2014 event shows. https://linksunten.indymedia.org/de/node/122586

The occasion for the concert is the 5-year anniversary of the "Legion Germania". A fusion of neo-Nazi hooligans from LOK Leipzig, BFC Dynamo Berlin and Lazio Rome.

In 2014 Hannover played Lazio in a friendly and about 30 of this Legion Germania turned up.

Antisemitische Parolen bei Hannovers Testspiel gegen Lazio

Their fans regularly abuse and assault people especially on match days but recent serious incidents include:

July 2011: An attack on visiting Kaiserslautern fans at a cup game after a security gate was mysteriously left open.
August 2015: A BFC Dynamo fan was among those who attempted to burn down a refugee centre in Marzahn, Berlin.
October 2016: An estimated 100-200 of them attacked a bunch of Cameroonian people who were having a picnic in Mauerpark.

Brandanschlag auf Marzahner Flüchtlingsheim: Verdächtige Brandstifter stammen aus der rechten Hooligan-Szene
BFC Dynamo vs. Kaiserslautern: Hunderte Hooligans stürmen Gästeblock - SPIEGEL ONLINE - Sport
Warum hat die Polizei nicht sofort ermittelt, als BFC-Hooligans eine kamerunische Picknickgruppe angriffen?
https://linksunten.indymedia.org/de/node/190215
Mutmaßlicher Übergriff im Mauerpark: Dynamo-Fans sollen Kameruner verletzt haben - Polizei & Justiz - Berlin - Tagesspiegel

E2a: I forgot to include a link to this Soren Kohlhuber report on a BFC Dynamo v Babelsberg (left wing Berlin team) game in 2015. He says that well known NPD person Michel Muller was among the various flavours of nazis there, wearing brown jacket and sunglasses in pic. A Babelsberg fan got stabbed afterwards.

Kohlhuber was mentioned on the Hamburg G20 thread when he warned people that Tim Pool and co were about. IGD article.

While jabbering about one of these trips, Casually Brown posted a video of a band called Kategorie C here. It's since been removed from youtube so unfortunately we'll never know what the tune was about.

German indymedia keeps track of Kategorie C's activity on the neo-nazi music scene.

Its singer Hannes Ostendorf was involved in firebombing a refugee centre in the early 90s. Along with another member of the band in full SS regalia, he attended an event in Hungary earlier this year, a commemoration of the attempted breakout from Budapest in Feb 1945.

Deutsche Neonazis beim „Day of Honour“ |





His brother Henrik is an influential NPD actvist. Henrik Ostendorf – Wikipedia

Kategorie C have also performed numerous times with the nazi rapper Makss Damage (who was initially a sort of tankie rapper). I listened to one of Mr.Damage's tunes and apparently he was banging on about wanting to anally rape left wing girls.



Makss Damage
CFCA - Resentment regarding the appearance of Neo-Nazi rapper Makss Damage

From Christopher Malone's book The Organic Globalizer.



A coalition of nazis and hoolis rioted in Cologne in October 2014 and October 2015 and in Leipzig in January 2016 but that's a whole other story.

'Hooligan' anti-Islamist rally in Cologne turns violent | News | DW | 26.10.2014
Over 100 arrested, shops vandalized in Leipzig amid LEGIDA birthday demonstrations (VIDEO)

I'll emphasise that BFC Dynamo does have normal fans, and the club has imposed stadium bans on some hoolis, eg, for racist behaviour at a match against Neukolln team Hurturkel, but I don't think Casually Brown (who has used the bulk of his 20000 posts here to push various strands of far-right talking points, and has abused posters for using some of their spare time to do refugee support work) travels all that way just to enjoy lower league football with normal local people. I find it hard to believe that anybody comes across shit nazi oi like Kategorie C totally innocently.


e2a: I just noticed that Casually Brown was replying to VP who he has previously abused here, accusing him of hating "russians more than anything else on gods earth" and calling him "fucking scum", "a fucking embarassment", "a disgrace", a "pontificating little wankstain crowing about piss stained curs over a quenelle from some footballer, someone jiggling their elbow", "a joke" and a "sanctimionioius little prick", then deploys the Irish slaves/holocaust meme, a fash fave.

 

[danny la rouge]

That's some impressive background work, copliker.

 

[Athos]

For context, he said this (my emphasis):

I also raised the issue tonight of me standing on a football terrace in the company of about 4000 fash over in germany. The same football team has a small left wing contingent as well . But the fact is despite their abhorrent politics I felt id more in immediate common , more personal identification with the fash than Ive had with any anarchist.

Here.

 

[rekil]

That's some impressive background work, copliker.

Sorry for it being a bit messy and the links in forrin. Not enough time to put it together better.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah..there are those without a doubt . The jokers . But the real ones are a death cult . I walked down a mountain path up in the forests in Norway one night with a proper satanist , nazi odinist who was just casually chatting away ..and after about 5 minutes I had grabbed a very pointy big stone and was just waiting for one fucking gesture...literally crapping myself .I was terrified . I was prepared to literally kill him because of his casual banter...but thought it more likely i was a goner . Genuinely in fear of my life because i was wearing a che t shirt .The real ones are really fucking dangerous . They will kill .

Look at the north of Ireland . There were absolute wankers..total mental weaklings ...committing the worst type of crimes against people because they were other . No matter how big the wanker the only inhibitor is the sea in which they swim . Hate...real hate...as opposed to mere prejudice ends up with dead people .
No...really..they're fuckingdangerous . I've met sone really dark ones and I have 2 mates who were nearly killed by them in supposedly safe settings...ice hockey match one night..another deliberately stabbed I the femoral artery while doing security on a club . They I'll definitely fucking kill .

How did you end up wearing a Che t-shirt in the first place? Also, not sure how you wind up innocently walking in the arse end of nowhere with someone whose ideas you suddenly find to be abhorrent

 

[redsquirrel]

Sorry for it being a bit messy and the links in forrin. Not enough time to put it together better.

No need to apologise, as danny said, excellent work.

 

[rekil]

Casapound use Che iconography and sell IRA tshirts in their shop. Here's that nazi rapper I mentioned with a Che tshirt wearing mate. Che, the 'RA, Chavez are seen by some strands of the far right as being anti-zio-imperialist allies. So perhaps t-shirts mean fuck all.

Spoiler

 

[mojo pixy]

tbf I've got a Che t-shirt. It was a gift from a hilarious friend who went on holiday to Cuba.

 

[Casually Red]

How did you end up wearing a Che t-shirt in the first place? Also, not sure how you wind up innocently walking in the arse end of nowhere with someone whose ideas you suddenly find to be abhorrent

I was walking from a house up a mountain through a small path in a forest at night in Norway trying to get down the mountain in the pitch dark . This punter was related to the people who owned the house and appeared out of nowhere and said he'd walk down with me . Think I was barely 18 at the time . I probably was wearing the che t shirt because I had 2 che t shirts with me on the trip and decided I liked that one better than the other one .

 

[phillm]

 

[ViolentPanda]

I don't think that one has to be a Christian in order to transgress Christianity. Certainly there are plenty of Christians who don't hesitate in judging non-Christians for their alleged transgressions against God's laws, and for myself I do find a certain intellectual amusement in pointing out that that we hardly, if ever, hear of Lucifer's side of the story, so claims that he represents ultimate evil sound a lot like unfounded propaganda.

I think you've kind of missed my point, which is that to a Satanist, power comes to them through transgressing Christianity, so to them transgression achieves a result. Judging the transgressions of others, especially non-believers, achieves nothing except alienation.

 

[ViolentPanda]

There's some quasi-satanist stuff, I'm thinking of Order of Nine Angles - Wikipedia mainly, which sort of broadens that to transgression against society as a whole or something.

There's also the Benelists, whose Satanism is supposedly "non-malefic", and which appears to be more to do with adversarial ceremonial magic. Odd philosophy held by some ODD people!

 

[Casually Red]

What about the fascists you're comfortable standing shoulder to shoulder with at football in Germany?

Both these people who almost lost their lives were hooligans and followers of BFC . It was their anti fascist activities that almost got them killed by fascists . Far from being comfortable it was pretty unnerving to be standing with people fascists had previously tried to kill in a football stadium that had fascist hooligans in it .
You might well ask that same question to anyone following West Ham , Millwall or Chelsea .

 

[rekil]

You fucking liar.

BFC Dynamo is not a German West Ham, Millwall or Chelsea, not with these sort of attendances. Weirdo groupie cunt.

Spoiler

 

[Casually Red]

So this dude was a Norse heathen *and* a Satanist? I think one of you may be ever so slightly theologically confused.

He was into all that odinist dark metal stuff . That's as much as I knew about his odinism . he was much too busy discussing his personal devotion to Satan for me to quiz him on the finer points .

 

[tim]

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No room for courts in a revolution. Those who live by the T-shirt are should die by the T-shirt..

"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary...These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate.”

 

[phillm]

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No room for courts in a revolution. Those who live by the T-shirt are should die by the T-shirt..

"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary...These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate.”

 

[bimble]

.. Also, not sure how you wind up innocently walking in the arse end of nowhere with someone whose ideas you suddenly find to be abhorrent.

It happens, has happened to me plenty. Do you recommend never setting foot in 'the arse end of nowhere' or just not talking to strangers as surefire preventative measures?

 

[Casually Red]

You fucking liar.

BFC Dynamo is not a German West Ham, Millwall or Chelsea, not with these sort of attendances. Weirdo groupie cunt.

Spoiler

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You'd better have a word with Limerick red then . He must be a liar too.

The NEW Oi! Thread

 

[Pickman's model]

It happens, has happened to me plenty. Do you recommend never setting foot in 'the arse end of nowhere' or just not talking to strangers as surefire preventative measures?

Do you often venture into the backwoods of Norway?

 

[bimble]

Nope never been to Norway. Is that where the arse end of nowhere is?

 

[planetgeli]

It's where Hell is.

Hell is a village in the Lånke area of the municipality of Stjørdal in Nord-Trøndelag county, Norway.