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andysays said:
That's it?

You repeatedly hang out with fascists (and post here about it and how you feel closer to or more comfortable with them than with degenerate anarchists) because your mate invited you and otherwise he might think you're a coward?

You're either a bare faced liar or a fucking idiot then.
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No ..the people I was hanging out with ...talking to , having a beer with...were either anti fascists or normal fans ..if there is such a thing among that lot . What I did notice though was the far right supporters in the ground were normal working class people , dressed and behaving little different to the people I work with in a factory every day . And compared that to the alternative lifestyles , dress etc of others . In a thread were I made the case that's why the far right might be having more success wooing the disaffected working class male than others . I never said once I was more comfortable with them...I thought I'd made clear I wasn't comfortable there at all . It's a hairy place to be . What I said was socially I had more in common with them than I did with people living alternative lifestyles . And btw the last time some twat dragged that up to have a go at me over a few other posters put forward their own personal experiences of why that was the case for them too .
 
Casually Red said:
Why did you not point this out when you were publishing your major exposé on the teams far right following....that everyone knew about ? Surely that was highly relevant but you omitted it in your magnum opus . It's only after I produced evidence from someone else that contradicted the picture you were painting about all the fans that you've now done a swerve and admitted there actually are anti fascist fans too .What was your point other than painting a false scenario were all the fans were fascists and anyone who attends their games is therefore a fascist too . ? That was definitely the picture you were pushing . A false one.

Also you didn't need to ask anyone, you could have just googled it . Which I suspect you did too .


I haven't been there in about 3 years . Also my mates anarcho communist , not a tankie . Just because the people Limerick red spent the night with were tankies it doesn't follow all the rest are too .
And me going to a football match once or twice a year has got absolutely nothing to do with fighting the far right . Ive never claimed i was doing that at football . I'm just having an afternoon out with a mate . It's the people like him who went there all the time who were challenging the far right . I'm only a tourist in their company on an afternoon out .
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Read my post again and feel free to point out any inaccuracies. I do apologise for not bigging up the handful of do nothing stasi fan freaks more. You seem very upset that I've posted about this club's problem with its far right following on a thread about the far right. And for the last time...
Me said:
don't bother replying to me unless you have some names so I can verify your bullshit.
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A PM will do.

When will *insert randomly googled German football team* deal with its weirdo fans and their "alternative lifestyles and dress"? I'm sticking with that club with all the nazis who incidentally I agree with on many many issues.
 
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You're all over the show. Your mate goes there to carry out antifascist activity, but, when you go with him, you don't. Really? In the small crowd with one of the highest concentration of fascists in German football?

Oh, and this mate is an anarcho communist, notwithstanding that you've previously said you've more in common with fascists than any anarchist you've ever met?
 
copliker said:
Read my post again and feel free to point out any inaccuracies. I do apologise for not bigging up the handful of do nothing stasi fan freaks more. You seem very upset that I've posted about this club's problem with its far right following on a thread about the far right. And for the last time...

A PM will do.
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Why would I be even remotely upset about you highlighting that team have a far right following when I've said it myself time and time again ? What you were doing was making the case that only the far right follow them . Which was bullshit . The YouTube video that was taken down since I posted it, years back, was a montage of the teams fans engaged in hooliganism and the like . On an oi thread . I liked the tune and the video .

As regards giving a cunt like you anyone's names you can get fucked . Liamo has known and socialised with my mates on and off for the past 15 years . Send him a pm and I'm quite sure hell be up for discussing it .
 
Athos said:
You're all over the show. Your mate goes there to carry out antifascist activity, but, when you go with him, you don't. Really? In the small crowd with one of the highest concentration of fascists in German football?

Oh, and this mate is an anarcho communist, notwithstanding that you've previously said you've more in common with fascists than any anarchist you've ever met?
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Making an argument against fascism in Germany would sort of entail an ability to speak German . Something I can't do beyond ordering a pint and a packet of fags . So no , I don't . Nor would it ever be advisable for an outsider , and a foreigner, who isnt even a hooligan to wander into the middle of a bunch of football hooligans who dont even know him and start lecturing them . So doubly no . That would be suicidal .

And yes my friend is an anarcho communist . Who doesn't live either an alternative lifestyle or wear alternative type clothing ,which was the relative point at hand . Absolutely nowhere did I state I couldn't be friends with an anarchist either . The point was the alternative lifestyle stuff wasn't finding much resonance among the working class . While the fascists seem to have a lot more success in exploiting disaffection . But then again you know that anyway .
 
Rutita1 said:
Someone needs to stop hiding behind their 'friends, or the reputation of their friends' and account for their own fucking dodginess. You get to say all that problematic/baiting, fucking racist, homophobic, fascist supporting crap, and countless other bullshit NONSENSE and hide behind LiamO , amongst others? :D :( :confused: :mad: :facepalm: :rolleyes: :( Why?
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Nobody's hiding behind anyone . It's being repeatedly alleged / stated outright here my German friends are fascists . Liamo has known them all for years . A very long time . It's a simple matter of discussing it with him as to whether they are or not . Really really simple and easy to do . Particularly as it was him who first introduced us .
 
Casually Red said:
Making an argument against fascism in Germany would sort of entail an ability to speak German . Something I can't do beyond ordering a pint and a packet of fags . So no , I don't .
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I have German friends living here and other friends that live in Germany that do, that would question , nor uestion doing so, maybe you need better 'German counsell?'... My friends, many of them of more conservative than me and we disagree on some things...but this? WTF? Fuck off. You are dodgey as fuck. You don't have to be in front of a line of fascists to denounce their beliefs/ideals/activities...What? How many hoops? :(
 
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Casually Red said:
Nobody's hiding behind anyone . It's being repeatedly alleged / stated outright here my German friends are fascists . Liamo has known them all for years . A very long time . It's a simple matter of discussing it with him as to whether they are or not . Really really simple and easy to do . Particularly as it was him who first introduced us .
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Eh? But that is you absolutely hiding behind other posters/people. :confused: Links to/evidence of your own posts/opinions posted here on urban have been offered up...you have nothing to say in response other than speak to my lawyer LiamO or whomever?
 
Rutita1 said:
Eh? But that is you absolutely hiding behind other posters/people. :confused: Links to/evidence of your own posts/opinions posted here on urban have been offered up...you have nothing to say in response other than speak to my lawyer LiamO or whomever?
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I've stated over and over again my friends are not merely not fascists they are dedicated anti fascists . I might as well be talking to a brick wall . Im repeatedly accused of lying and that these people are all fascists..because one of them has taken me to see the team he follows . So as nothing I say makes any difference whatsoever I suggest instead you talk to someone else on the board who's known them for about 15 years . And who introduced us . Like I said its a really really simple thing to do . Which, obviously, is the reason you're refusing to do it .
 
I hear you.. I need to speak to x, y, z other poster/member here to vouch for you and your friends.

Yet, you give not one shit nor offer up any defense of your posts that have been linked to as evidence of you being a fucking wrong'un...your friends somehow are responsible for those too?

I get it, got it, good.
 
Rutita1 said:
Back on topic... A friend from canada posting about this ...

Far-right groups, counter-protesters clash in Quebec City
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I tried posting similar on the last page.
No-one cares about the topic, really.

Everyone wants to squabble about total nonsense.

ps - funny thing this "At least two members of La Meute had acknowledged taking part in the Charlottesville, Va., demonstration, " got the anti-side all fired up.
 
Rutita1 said:
I hear you.. I need to speak to x, y, z other poster/member here to vouch for you and your friends.

Yet, you give not one shit nor offer up any defense of your posts that have been linked to as evidence of you being a fucking wrong'un...your friends somehow are responsible for those too?

I get it, got it, good.
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It's not about vouching for me . These guys are his friends too . He introduced us . You and a few others are stating outright these people are a bunch of fascists because one of them ...one...follows that team and has brought me to a few of their matches when I go over to visit . That's a complete and utter load of bollocks and you know full well he can tell you so . To anyone who even remotely knew them the suggestion is beyond laughable .

Thread after threads been derailed with this shit . Either ask Liamo if they are fascists or not or give over about them .
 
First, Liam has been tagged enough times on this thread, so why has he not shown up to defend his friends?

Second, why would a dedicated anti fascist support such a dodgy club as BFC Dynamo, and why would you go with him?
 
equationgirl said:
First, Liam has been tagged enough times on this thread, so why has he not shown up to defend his friends?

Second, why would a dedicated anti fascist support such a dodgy club as BFC Dynamo, and why would you go with him?
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Liamo is currently on holiday with his lovely wife . I expect he'll be back any day now .

The football club isn't dodgy , a section of its fan base definitely is . What you're saying is anti fascists like him should just surrender the terraces to the fascists . Don't try and change anyone's opinions , don't challenge the nazi message , give up and go home.

And I went with him because he's my mate and he invited me to go with him .
 
Given Casually Brown's long record of dishonesty and hostility here, I think it's safe to assume that the secret antifa agent wingman Undercover Bosch stuff is 100% made up - desperately constructed cover for repeated statements about how attractive the nazi hooli scene and its rotten politics are to him.
 
copliker said:
Given Casually Brown's long record of dishonesty and hostility here, I think it's safe to assume that the secret antifa agent wingman Undercover Bosch stuff is 100% made up - desperately constructed cover for repeated statements about how attractive the nazi hooli scene and its rotten politics are to him.
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The shit he's actually said on these boards and others is far more worrying than whether he's been to a footie match in Germany or not.
 
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