The 2019 General Election

[Mr Moose]

Interesting goings on in Uxbridge and South Ruislip, Lord Buckethead is standing, but has been forced to change his name to Count Binface after a copyright dispute. The Official Monster Raving Loony Party are also standing a candidate under the name of Lord Buckethead, although his identity is unclear.

It must be a worry that with Buckethead, Binface and Johnson standing that the Loony vote may be split.

 

[Mr Moose]

i think one of them would respond to the offer of a peerage and surrender a seat. but i'd love it if that happened and johnson lost the fucking by-election

Would be the biggest lol of all election time.

 

[cupid_stunt]

"further weight to the convention that had developed over the previous century that a prime minister cannot sit in the House of Lords." (my emphasis)
Convention not requirement

Not that it really matters, practically no party would go for a PM in the Lords

Yes it's a convention, but because the Parliament Act 1911 so limited the powers of the Lords, it would be impractical for the PM to sit in that house.

But, as you say, it would never happen anyway.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Just back from the pub?
Between buy to let and estate agents, the pair are mostly responsible for the mess. The Thatcher government started the ball rolling, but that set of bastards are kicking it.

How do estate agents set prices when they control neither the capital available for the purchase of homes or the supply of those homes? If what you mean is that estate agents working on commision will seek the highest prices they can (in a market set by others) then you're right; but that is something very different. The actions of estate agents do not explain the differences in house prices over the last four decades or their current geographical diversity.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Pickman's model]

How do estate agents set prices when they control neither the capital available for the purchase of homes or the supply of those homes? If what you mean is that estate agents working on commision will seek the highest prices they can (in a market set by others) then you're right; but that is something very different. The actions of estate agents do not explain the differences in house prices over the last four decades or their current geographical diversity.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

it's wicked to mock the afflicted

 

[weltweit]

Estate agents are motivated to get the highest price possible for both house prices and rents.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Anyone had a polling card yet?

I hope so as I've delivered hundreds of the things.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Santino]

Estate agents are motivated to get the highest price possible for both house prices and rents.

Actually the pricing structure of most estate agents' fees means they are motivated to get a deal done as soon as possible and move onto another job.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Estate agents are motivated to get the highest price possible for both house prices and rents.

You could argue that completions are a greater driver than best price ,given that their return is based on a small % of sometimes of a very large number - a few grand either way on a London house will make little difference to their return , whilst hanging on to extract that little bit extra for the punter is a cost they would prefer not to have to deal with.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Actually the pricing structure of most estate agents' fees means they are motivated to get a deal done as soon as possible and move onto another job.

Fuck , just posted the same ish

 

[kebabking]

Estate agents are motivated to get the highest price possible for both house prices and rents.

no, estate agents - those who work on a percentage basis, are motivated to get the best offer accepted by the owner, the sale proceeded with, and the commission paid as soon as possible. the best offer isn't neccesarily the highest price, not least because the person offering a high (relative) price might subsequently decide to pull out because they've paid too much. a house priced so high that it does get any offers and never gets sold doesn't pay the EA anything, but its costs them money to market it and reputational damage by not selling it.

Estage Agents who work on a fixed fee basis couldn't care less what price it goes for, in fact a lower price suits them because it will sell quicker, so they get paid quicker.

 

[Flavour]

that gove tweet is absolutely sensational

 

[mauvais]

no, estate agents - those who work on a percentage basis, are motivated to get the best offer accepted by the owner, the sale proceeded with, and the commission paid as soon as possible. the best offer isn't neccesarily the highest price, not least because the person offering a high (relative) price might subsequently decide to pull out because they've paid too much. a house priced so high that it does get any offers and never gets sold doesn't pay the EA anything, but its costs them money to market it and reputational damage by not selling it.

Estage Agents who work on a fixed fee basis couldn't care less what price it goes for, in fact a lower price suits them because it will sell quicker, so they get paid quicker.

Yes, but within those fundamentals they are also motivated to talk up areas and raise prices - hence modern strategies like 'sealed bids' which artificially inflate prices.

 

[strung out]

It's man dem not dem man innit or am I as out of touch as Pob?

Gove is quoting a lyric from Stormzy's popular hit track, Shut Up. Unfortunately, he's quoting the track correctly, which doesn't make it much less cringey...

 

[maomao]

Gove is quoting a lyric from Stormzy's popular hit track, Shut Up. Unfortunately, he's quoting the track correctly, which doesn't make it much less cringey...

Tbf he probably got an intern to look it up.

 

[chilango]

Do any of these politicians actually tweet themselves?

 

[pesh]

 

[D'wards]

The BBC confirming what is already obvious - the Labour Party is no longer the party for the working classes.

(And I believe this abandoning of the working class concerns is why they have lost the last three elections and will lose this one)

General election 2019: Do people still vote according to class?

 

[Pickman's model]

The BBC confirming what is already obvious - the Labour Party is no longer the party for the working classes.

(And I believe this abandoning of the working class concerns is why they have lost the last three elections and will lose this one)

General election 2019: Do people still vote according to class?

One of the greatest con tricks in British politics has been the Labour party's largely successful claim to be the party for the working class

 

[treelover]

On the doorstep, Labour faces the question: who do you speak for?


Tilley and Evans show that the working-class electorate across the UK has since been staying at home in ever-larger numbers. Corbyn has not reversed the trend: in 2017, 83% of professionals voted compared with only 52% from working-class jobs.

It is not that the working classes have nothing to say about politics; it is that there are no parties to listen to them. For all Corbyn’s rhetoric, this has changed less under his leadership than one might imagine. The first thing he did on becoming leader in 2015 was call for the nationalisation of the railways; by contrast, it took until 2019 to promise to scrap universal credit

Another incisive article by Aditya Chakrabortty, Wilf has been noting this on here, along with others, Labour has to become a movement, embedded in communities, outside parts of cities, I don't think that is happening

 

[treelover]

The difference in emphasis is striking given how many working-age households are being driven to the wall by the Tories’ cuts to welfare. In North East Derbyshire I meet a couple who last year endured so many errors on their disability benefits and suffered such hardship that the wife contemplated killing herself.

Privately, Labour people admit the issue. Enthusiasts know Corbyn’s longstanding policies on increasing wages and trade union rights; casual viewers will spot only free broadband and the four-day week.

Corbyn, not John MC, is on record as saying it would be a difficult process to change embedded views on welfare, he didn't say that about another contested issue, immigration.

 

[redsquirrel]

The BBC confirming what is already obvious - the Labour Party is no longer the party for the working classes.

(And I believe this abandoning of the working class concerns is why they have lost the last three elections and will lose this one)

General election 2019: Do people still vote according to class?

While I some sympathy for the underlying argument I think we need to be very clear that stories like this are talking about C2DE, the census definition of "working class". Is that a definition of class that we want to use?

 

[planetgeli]

Nice bit of full on “the well known anti-Semite Jeremy Corbyn” there synchronised on Radio 4 and 5 for a few minutes.

Is the Brexit Election not sticking or something?

 

[brogdale]

Nice bit of full on “the well known anti-Semite Jeremy Corbyn” there synchronised on Radio 4 and 5 for a few minutes.

Is the Brexit Election not sticking or something?

Poll convergence plan 1

 

[BristolEcho]

One of the greatest con tricks in British politics has been the Labour party's largely successful claim to be the party for the working class

Also workers Vs non-workers. The systemic attack on those who don't work for various reasons has created a schism amongst society. It's been a very successful tactic in my eyes and allowed them to get away with most of the things that they have.

 

[toblerone3]

Is it anti-semitic to be disgusted with the Chief Rabbi's statements on Anti Semitism in the Labour Party today?

 

[Pickman's model]

Is it anti-semitic to be disgusted with the Chief Rabbi's statements on Anti Semitism in the Labour Party today?

No

 

[danny la rouge]

Is it anti-semitic to be disgusted with the Chief Rabbi's statements on Anti Semitism in the Labour Party today?

It depends on why you’re disgusted. If you’re disgusted that he’s using antisemitism to play politics, then no. If you’re disgusted because it’s another Jew in the news, then yes.

 

[Dogsauce]

Did he have anything to say when the tories were getting all North London Intellectual about Milliband back in 2015?

 

[toblerone3]

I'm disgusted because its incredibly partisan and he's using Anti-Semitism to play politics and also because the atmosphere today is enough to silence many people on this issue for fear of being accused of being anti-semitic.