The 2017 General Election campaign
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You might think that, having been the subject of what is evidently a whitewash, these Tories might show some humility and keep their heads down. But their willingness to speak out and cry foul is just another example of their contempt for the rest of us.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Clearly you should have gone into teaching, tl.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
"Right Angela, you're going on the Nick Ferrari show, you remember what happened To Diane Abbot?"
- yes, absolutely.
"So, no way you'll do the same? You've got all the figures to hand?"
- Yes, yes, of course!
Labour's Angela Rayner 'does a Diane Abbott' in car-crash LBC Radio interview
- yes, absolutely.
"So, no way you'll do the same? You've got all the figures to hand?"
- Yes, yes, of course!
Labour's Angela Rayner 'does a Diane Abbott' in car-crash LBC Radio interview
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
free spirit
more tea vicar?
We got there in the end, though the press release was a little more grudging then was really needed if us standing down is going to help swing the vote in either constituency.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
If the Labour Party really is going to have nationalising the energy industry, railways, bus firms and the Royal Mail in its manifesto, I'm going to have to give that some serious thought. I support all of those things.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
They can promise to do all the things, but how the feck are they going to pay?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Selling off the public schools.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
get real. have you seen how much an energy company is these days?
TheHoodedClaw
acknowledging ur soup leg
From what I can glean (The Mirror's read is a bit more nuanced than, say, the Telegraph's) is that they're not necessarily proposing straight renationalisations but eg taking back the railway franchises as existing contracts expire, creating public competitors in the energy and bus sectors etc
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Oh fuck off you Tory bore, you don't even know a joke when you see one. But I'd sell off the public schools even if I thought it'd lose money.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
What's your evidence for that then?
it's over. let it go.
brixtonblade
Well-Known Member
His pay is such that the board of governors of the school are required to present the council with evidence that it has been benchmarked independently and represents value for money. I believe that Lambeth council are unable to evidence that this has happened.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Gut feeling?
What Labour appears to be proposing is stuff I like, but it is expensive. It's not a couple of billion you can squeeze out of other budgets, it's lots, and lots, and lots of billions - and Labour appears to be saying that they will be able to get the money for all of it from one source, which is corporation tax.
They have also been explicit in saying that personal taxation for those earning less that (iirc) £90k will not increase - which is about 95% of the population - personally I'm hugely sceptical that they will be able to find the money that all these nice things will cost can be found from corporation tax and increased taxation for just 5% of the population.
That's not to say these things shouldn't be paid for, or that they aren't really worth doing, but I'm afraid I'm not remotely convinced that all the money to find them can be found where Labour says it can be found.
neonwilderness
What would Badgers do?
John McDonnell gave a speech saying they would borrow more (to invest, not for current spending) as well as the increase from tax.
Presumably the spending plans will also be staggered over 5 years, rather than all happening on the 9th of June, so I guess we need to see the full manifesto to see how the figures stack up.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Might be wrong, but I don't think Labour was talking about these things explicitly a month ago (?). When the details emerge I've got my suspicions there won't be many economists saying 'hmm, that looks like it might work'. Sounds like a political strategy to keep working class and pro-public sector voters, to get people thinking about the election in something other than Brexit terms. Labour are so far behind this probably works well as mood music, as in nobody thinks they are going to win, so there won't be too much screeching about how it will 'bankrupt the country' (as there was in 83, when Labour were talking about full on renationalisations with 'minimum compensation'. Actually, might be wrong on that, it might have been an NEC policy document from the same era, but you get the point).
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Yes, it might even persuade me to vote for them
Yeah no point in playing it safe, Corbyn and McDonnell may as push things they want rather than some weak compromise that doesn't satisfy anyone.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
No need to stop there. Might as well say they'll throw Noel Edmonds down a mineshaft and beat Simon Cowell to death with the corpse of Louis Walsh. That would get them up to a small majority in the Commons.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
This question is asked of Labour at nearly every election, and on occasions where the tories win the economy generally does even worse as a consequence. National and private debt are at record levels, wages are at their most stagnant since the 1800s. Investment in infrastructure makes a good deal of economic sense. We managed to own and run much of this stuff in the past, is the puport that we have gone so far backwards under neoliberalism? If so, time to reverse it I would think. Now, I haven't costed all Labour's proposals but I know the free education one was costed by the Greens at previous elections. Where there's a will there's a way. The money seems to be there for Trident, HS2 and throwing at bankers.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Yeah. it would give me pause for thought at least.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Yup. Unless it's some sorry-arsed compromise they end up offering. The last time I voted Labour in a general election was 1983, so this isn't something I say lightly. Even though I'm only talking about potentially considering it.
(And there are other considerations to balance too: the history of Labour in Scotland. They have a lot to do to overcome my distaste for them. But it does help that the SNP might not use their manifesto to give a clear independence referendum mandate. If they don't, then I'll feel no need to vote for them).
bi0boy
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Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
Nationalisation came out of hard times and war. There is not the money to renationalise what has been sold off and why do that? Unless you change the law and seize assets it would be bumper pay out day for the shareholders.
I haven't read this yet, but I believe it may be more about state owned alternatives, which would be great. Build new energy companies for example, to provide better, greener deals and build assets for the people. I would say a swift 'fuck you' to any privatised offering I could for the same or subsidised cost.
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