I don't support the systematic dismantling of the welfare state, I think there should be a basic safety net for everyone. This should include state health insurance, and basic benefits for the unemployed. Those with genuine disabilities (as opposed to all the people faking bad backs, or depression) should be given enough money to have an enjoyable standard of living.
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I don't support the systematic dismantling of the welfare state, I think there should be a basic safety net for everyone. This should include state health insurance, and basic benefits for the unemployed. Those with genuine disabilities (as opposed to all the people faking bad backs, or depression) should be given enough money to have an enjoyable standard of living.
It's nice to know you think me so influential frogwoman.
You're propping up those who are ideologically opposed to a welfare state and enabling them to dismantle it. Same difference, frankly.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
You don't think depression can have a catastrophic effect on someone's life?
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
given you devote so much time and effort to spinning (badly)for a Party that's complicit in shafting us all, isn't that "fair's fair"?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
I've been depressed, and during that time I could hardly get dressed, or get out of bed, I was having suicidal thoughts and urges constantly, etc. I agree that having employment (or whatever) can help with depression a lot more than being stuck at home, but given that your party seems determined to cut services, including mental health services, and lay of thousands of people leading to more depression, alcoholism and other mental health problems, I don't see it having a positive impact to be honest, to say the fucking least.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
Depression is a bloody serious illness-as EVERY psychiatrist will tell you.
For that matter, a bad back can be utterly debilitating and is something that genuinely happens to an awful lot of people. Dismissing them as "fakes" reveals the utter contempt moon23 has for the population at large. And yet he wants us to happily engage in chitchat with him on his terms. Fuck that.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Except that they are not are they? Jesus you are sickening. No doubt you were saying exactly the opposite before the last election on people's doorsteps, to get them to vote for yo, because your party has no principles. At least the tories have principles (even though they are completely wrong and evil ones). Your party has no principles except to get into power and to lie and say whatever bullshit will make this more likely (except that you will not because everyone has seen through your parties lies now).
Yes but I referred to those that fake it of which there are many.
Sorry this is absolute bollocks, the party has principles which is why we have pushed consistently for things like equal marriages, civil liberties, opposition to the Iraq war etc.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Depression is a bloody serious illness-as EVERY psychiatrist will tell you.
Not just psychiatrists, but any health professional.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Again, I said those who fake these injuries. I know people with geniune bad backs and it can be utterly debilitating. I also know of people who generally fake such illnesses. To such an extent to which they complain that it's getting worse before their assesment is up to play the system. They then just chuck their expensive pain killers they get for free from the NHS into the bin. This isn't right kabbes.
All I'm saying is that we need to create a benefit system that helps those who are actually in need, rather than one that allows cheats and scum to drain public funds so there is less for those in actual need.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Can we see some figures doc?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Tuition fees as well. Lol.
Fake it? How can anyone "fake" depression? Do tell.
You read what it's symptoms are and observe the behaviour of people who are depressed. You then mimetic these symptoms when talking to any health professional.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Oh no, don't use words you don't get.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
I see, so there are legions of 'fakers' out there. Is that correct?
Labour introduced the bloody things, but the NUS didn't give a flying shit then because their senior officials where all trying to be the next Stephen Twigg. Lib Dems have made the proposals fairer so you now only have to pay back tuition fees when you can afford too.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
That isn't what you said at first is it?
Doesn't that imply that depression isn't a genuine disibility?
mimic I meant, that was just a typo.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Yes, I noticed he'd used the word "mimetic". Wtf?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
That's why you're being rewarded so.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
It's pretty hard to fake manic depression imv. Very hard indeed.
Out of all the people I have known on the dole I'd say at least 20% of them were on the fiddle faking some illness.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I can't see how anyone can argue with this.
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