The 2011 Census, good or bad?

[frogwoman]

I like it when people tell other people what they should be getting on a high horse about.

yeh. being concerned with something so trivial when his party is ruining the country is obscene tho.

 

[IMR]

I'm tempted to put "Lizardo-Yiddish".

I'm ticking the Metropolitan Goblin box.

 

[Streathamite]

See, this is the sort of in-depth analysis I've been missing.

great to see you about!

 

[bi0boy]

yeh. being concerned with something so trivial when his party is ruining the country is obscene tho.

But people are dying in Libya, why are you so concerned with UK politics?

People can have a range of things they are concerned about - not all of them have to be top of the concern-worthy list.

 

[frogwoman]

I'm not directly helping to kill people in Libya tho am I?

 

[bi0boy]

I'm not directly helping to kill people in Libya tho am I?

 

[Proper Tidy]

Christ you are getting tedious. Are you a LibDem?

 

[bi0boy]

I don't call people a "div" and "scum" because they are concerned about an issue when i think there are more important thinks to be concerned about.

 

[bi0boy]

Christ you are getting tedious. Are you a LibDem?

Am I fuck

 

[frogwoman]

I don't call people a "div" and "scum" because they are concerned about an issue when i think there are more important thinks to be concerned about.

you havent read many of moons posts, have you?

 

[bi0boy]

you havent read many of moons posts, have you?

No I haven't, I just find it irritating when someone's genuinely held concerns are deemed trivial "because there are more important things to be concerned about".

I'm sure you wouldn't like to be berated for thinking about what to have for breakfast, "because you should be more concerned with what the government are doing".

 

[nogojones]

Lochead Martin - responisble for Trident missiles and cluster bombs are being paid a good old sum for delivering this.

Military Interogators stationed in Iraq prisons received $2,000 from Lockheed Martin in 2005. The prisons included Abu Ghraib, Camp Cropper, a prison at Baghdad International Airport, and Camp Whitehorse, near Nasariyah. Lockheed Martin first got involved in the interogation contracting business immediately after September 11 2001. Lockheed Martin’s involvement in military interogations is through the company Sytex which it bought for $462 million.
After the Abu Ghraib scandal the Pentagon began awarding ‘no-bid’ contracts to Lockheed.

They actively supported the first Iraq invasion and brokered support from a number of countries so they could sell more weapons and sell weapons to a number of repressive regimes.

They are covered by the US patriot act, so the US state can access any data they hold - including yours. Fuck 'em. Make their job as hard as possible.

https://network23.org/countmeout/

 

[bi0boy]

Lochead Martin - responisble for Trident missiles and cluster bombs are being paid a good old sum for delivering this.

Military Interogators stationed in Iraq prisons received $2,000 from Lockheed Martin in 2005. The prisons included Abu Ghraib, Camp Cropper, a prison at Baghdad International Airport, and Camp Whitehorse, near Nasariyah. Lockheed Martin first got involved in the interogation contracting business immediately after September 11 2001. Lockheed Martin’s involvement in military interogations is through the company Sytex which it bought for $462 million.
After the Abu Ghraib scandal the Pentagon began awarding ‘no-bid’ contracts to Lockheed.

They actively supported the first Iraq invasion and brokered support from a number of countries so they could sell more weapons and sell weapons to a number of repressive regimes.

They are covered by the US patriot act, so the US state can access any data they hold - including yours. Fuck 'em. Make their job as hard as possible.

https://network23.org/countmeout/

Pity no one mentioned this earlier in the thread.

 

[frogwoman]

No I haven't, I just find it irritating when someone's genuinely held concerns are deemed trivial "because there are more important things to be concerned about".

I'm sure you wouldn't like to be berated for thinking about what to have for breakfast, "because you should be more concerned with what the government are doing".

you'd have a point but this is the guy who is a fanatical lib-dem party member and supports almost every action the lib-dems are carrying out. youre right, i shouldn't have had a go at him bit it's no surprise he's getting the response he's getting.

 

[kyser_soze]

They are covered by the US patriot act, so the US state can access any data they hold - including yours. Fuck 'em. Make their job as hard as possible

Perhaps you need to go and read the stuff about how LM won't actually hold any of the data, so it's not actually covered by the Patriot Act. Or perhaps you haven't, and are prepared to accept that the Director of the ONS will act illegally regarding the collection, storage and dissemination of Census data.

 

[kabbes]

No I haven't, I just find it irritating when someone's genuinely held concerns are deemed trivial "because there are more important things to be concerned about".

I'm sure you wouldn't like to be berated for thinking about what to have for breakfast, "because you should be more concerned with what the government are doing".

If Hitler (to invoke Godwin) turned up and started talking about the pedestrianisation of Norwich city centre, would you hear him out on the grounds that he might have a valid point or would you just tell him to fuck off on the grounds that he is Hitler?

 

[bi0boy]

If Hitler (to invoke Godwin) turned up and started talking about the pedestrianisation of Norwich city centre, would you hear him out on the grounds that he might have a valid point or would you just tell him to fuck off on the grounds that he is Hitler?

I certainly wouldn't tell him that the pedestrianisation of Norwich city centre was of no importance, as the government were planning to build a new airport in the Thames estuary and that was a far more important issue to be concerned about.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's wrong to say the raw data cannot be accessed by anyone, it is readily accessible to the temporary workers who collate the forms and store them in their homes. You should rather say that the raw data should not be accessed by anyone who isn't employed to carry out the census.

True.

 

[frogwoman]

I certainly wouldn't tell him that the pedestrianisation of Norwich city centre was of no importance, as the government were planning to build a new airport in the Thames estuary and that was a far more important issue to be concerned about.

Well no, but that's kind of my point. You'd be saying "what about invading poland etc you bastard".

 

[kyser_soze]

It's wrong to say the raw data cannot be accessed by anyone, it is readily accessible to the temporary workers who collate the forms and store them in their homes. You should rather say that the raw data should not be accessed by anyone who isn't employed to carry out the census.

And add to that, what LM, the other contractors involved with the Census, as well as representatives of every single private company in the world, are going to steal into these census takers' homes, remove & photocopy the completed censuses, then take them away to some place where they can access your personal data at will.

Then when the census takers report the break-ins, they will all mysteriously dissappear from police records, if indeed any were made in the first place.

In 2 months, you'll receive an RFID tag, through the post, purporting to be from 'Readers' Digest'. It's actually in reality a GPS locator, which keeps track of your bio-readings, how much money you have in your wallet at any time, and how often you masturbate to internet pornography.

This is the hidden agenda behind Lockheed Martin working on the Census. They want to know how often you wank to internet porn.

 

[kabbes]

I certainly wouldn't tell him that the pedestrianisation of Norwich city centre was of no importance, as the government were planning to build a new airport in the Thames estuary and that was a far more important issue to be concerned about.

You wouldn't tell him that there are lots of other things you want to discuss with him before you'll even consider the necessary access to Dixons?

 

[nogojones]

Perhaps you need to go and read the stuff about how LM won't actually hold any of the data, so it's not actually covered by the Patriot Act. Or perhaps you haven't, and are prepared to accept that the Director of the ONS will act illegally regarding the collection, storage and dissemination of Census data.

Who do you believe has more clout? the Head of the ONS paying LM £150 million or the US state giving out arms contracts? Whether the US state are really interested in knowing if I'm a Jedi is more questionable, but the other points stand. LM are responsible for mass murder. Fuck 'em.

 

[bi0boy]

You wouldn't tell him that there are lots of other things you want to discuss with him before you'll even consider the necessary access to Dixons?

Not in a discussion forum entitled "The pedestrianisation of Norwich city centre, good or bad?" given that he had been allowed into the forum in the first place.

 

[kabbes]

Not in a discussion forum entitled "The pedestrianisation of Norwich city centre, good or bad?" given that he had been allowed into the forum in the first place.

Well that's up to you. But I can't blame others for giving him short shrift, the Jew-murdering cunt.

 

[kyser_soze]

Who do you believe has more clout? the Head of the ONS paying LM £150 million or the US state giving out arms contracts? Whether the US state are really interested in knowing if I'm a Jedi is more questionable, but the other points stand. LM are responsible for mass murder. Fuck 'em.

In which case I would suggest you stop using PCs, because the chances are it's manufacturer, or the manufracturer of your OS, or other component, are also probably involved somewhere in a military supply chain. Why would you want to make something that's being carried out by UK cits, and funded by the UK taxpayer, a waste of time and money solely because there is one iffy US contractor on board?

LM get paid for this no matter how shite the final results are. The UK taxpayer OTOH will have just paid for a huge survey which has potentially had some/all of it's value destroyed because of principled protests like this. So good on you! Let's waste a load of money and produce something that no-one can usefully use, because of one contractor on the project.

 

[moochedit]

you should boycott the electoral register as well next time you get the form. It's another sinister goverment database

 

[moon23]

The professor is wrong, and the director of the census is right: Raw data cannot be accessed by anyone, only the statistical data derived from the census.
Aggregate data may be accessible, but aggregate data is hardly conducive to intelligence trawls. It's no more useful than general demographic data ever is.

What is your legal basis for arguing this? If you read the Office of National Statistics own privacy guidelines it states it's unlawful to share data except in the provisions set out in sec 39 of the SRS Act 2007.

 

[moon23]

Not in a discussion forum entitled "The pedestrianisation of Norwich city centre, good or bad?" given that he had been allowed into the forum in the first place.

You underestimate just how single-minded this forum board is in blaming the Lib Dems for all the worlds ills. I could say 1 + 1 = 2 and they would still contest it on the basis that i'm a party member.

 

[kabbes]

You underestimate just how single-minded this forum board is in blaming the Lib Dems for all the worlds ills. I could say 1 + 1 = 2 and they would still contest it on the basis that i'm a party member.

No, wouldn't say you were wrong. We would actually say that we don't care to discuss simple numerical tautologies with you so long as you carry on giving whole-hearted support to the systematic dismantling of the welfare state.

 

[frogwoman]

You underestimate just how single-minded this forum board is in blaming the Lib Dems for all the worlds ills. I could say 1 + 1 = 2 and they would still contest it on the basis that i'm a party member.

You are responsible for all the world's ills, tbf.