existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Yeah, you're right. I'm burned by the cogency of your argument, not to mention your elite quoting skills. Twat.
Teenager who filmed himself raping girl 'deserves leniency because he's from a good family’-US judge
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Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
So, you castigate all here for not decrying the original call to castration and now you take umbrage at a post that does exactly that. Make your fucking mind up. Piss or get off the pot.
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
Having displayed his moral and intellectual superiority and exposed rampant hypocrisy by linking to an unrelated thread from a decade ago, I think it's only a matter of time before he unleashes the atomic bomb of a rolleyes smiley and a "typical urbanz" remark.
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
Age of the psychopath innit.Why is anyone surprised by this? This is the world now. These people - who have always been there - are on the rise, they see it as their time again. And it’s going to get a fuckton worse before it gets better
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
Screaching lefties showing why their hysteris is better than the right wing version.,[/QUOTE]
Never mind that, just using it to have a pop at urban. What do you think about the case athand? Say something?
My gut reaction is fucking crucify them both. One upside down. But yes as mentioned this entrenched privilege. All are equal before the eyes of the law.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Scary the number of situations like this there must be where the girl and her family have taken the pay-off and dropped the charges and the boy has gone on to his lovely school and career without the wider world ever finding out. At least this one looks like there's a chance he won't get away with it - indeed we only know about it because there's a chance he won't get away with it.
A portion. But his defence lawyers are arguing she should not have reported to the police and put a respectable family through the trauma of publicly acknowledging their son is a rapist. It recalls the Stanford rapist's father who referred to "twenty minutes of action" as too trivial to put his son through a trial for.
They didn't teach their sons not to rape. Even after they had raped they were teaching them that they were entitled to impunity.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
This.
Only I wonder about "teaching him not to rape" - I find myself wondering if people are inclined to rape by default, and have to be taught not to, or whether what actually happens is that a culture of misogyny exists within someone's environment as they grow up, which effectively teaches them TO rape? Or, at least, that there's nothing particularly wrong with it.
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
TBH I think there is a bit of a division between what the family thinks and how the lawyers behave. The families - though not that Stanford dad - usually refuse to believe that little Timmy could ever have done anything like that; he must have been fitted up / led on / some form of conspiracy against him has occured / "he isn't that sort of kid" , and this can even continue after the evidence has emerged proving what he has done where it doesn't make sense that something they know conflicts with objective reality. It is after all really easy for a parent to believe their child over someone elses kid, and whilst it should be condemned I am not sure that it should surprise anyone when it happens.
The lawyers on the other hand are either incredibly inept (which can be discounted straight away) or could only have raised that defence if they had a very good idea that this judge in particular would react to it, which should suggest that this is not an isolated case and might indicate they had used it themselves in the past. I am all for lawyers seeking truth but to raise a "so what" defence like that is a disgrace
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Not sure wether the rapist is a dribbling idiot who should be confined as he is a risk to others. Or just an arrogant prick. Hard to tell gross stupidity from evil sometimes.
It will ruin his life ,but, he could have just not raped someone so hard to sympathise.
It will ruin his life ,but, he could have just not raped someone so hard to sympathise.
Yossarian
Get thee behind me, Santa
Yep - this guy has apparently been a judge for decades, who knows how many rapists from "good families" he has been lenient with so they can go on to become drink-spiking frat boys.
UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
If the video was shared it will also probably end up on the Internet as well.
dessiato
4 years and I still cry sometimes
That was my thought too. The victim's torment will not be eased whatever the outcome of any trial. She will have this torture for life.If the video was shared it will also probably end up on the Internet as well.
What on earth does 'good' mean in his world?
Seems rapists are good if they have loads of cash, perhaps some going to the cunt judge
Probably one that doesn't care about being arrested because he knows a cunt judge, but also one that now thinks he can get away with it so might well do it again
8ball
1,200 lights
If you read a little further along from that point in the thread, I was more talking about the futility of just adding in "don't rape" messages when you're swimming against the tide of a culture that legitimises it, but I agree that in these cases even that message doesn't seem to have been a prominent part of the home environment.
baldrick
hmmmmm
I've read that before. The comments are just as horrifying the second time of reading. The 'good/credible victim' stuff comes up over and over again doesn't it. No wonder she has come to that conclusion.
JudithB
Well-Known Member
That brought to mind a quote who I want to attribute to Dworkin about porn and fetish - that it will get a lot worse before it gets better.Why is anyone surprised by this? This is the world now. These people - who have always been there - are on the rise, they see it as their time again. And it’s going to get a fuckton worse before it gets better
This boy watches too much porn. That's not an excuse for why he did what he did but I'd put money on it being a contributing factor.
JudithB
Well-Known Member
I do not agree he should be tried as an adult. He should be given an appropriate sentence for his crime and age, i.e., time away from family but with proper counselling enabling him to reflect on his actions and why they were abhorrent.
And then how many times he goes on to do it again, and how many women's lives he completely fucking ruins.
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
What I find disturbing is the notion that what happened in these cases is dismissed as "a mistake". It's not a mistake is it? It's indicative of a deeply nasty character trait. I don't believe anyone ever raped anyone "by mistake". That it's a few moments "out of character". They must believe that they can just take whatever they want from another person.
And everyone around them, all their parents, lawyers, judges etc. also believe it's "a mistake" that can be just wished away without consequences as it's such a minor thing after all.
And these people, if they are allowed to go on to their good schools and good prospects and become lawyers, judges, policitians etc., they are people who believe that it's all "just a mistake" because it was a mistake for them right? So the bullshit perpetuates itself, seemingly forever.
And everyone around them, all their parents, lawyers, judges etc. also believe it's "a mistake" that can be just wished away without consequences as it's such a minor thing after all.
And these people, if they are allowed to go on to their good schools and good prospects and become lawyers, judges, policitians etc., they are people who believe that it's all "just a mistake" because it was a mistake for them right? So the bullshit perpetuates itself, seemingly forever.
Absolutely this. How long exactly does a mistake take to make? How far into that mistake do you have to go before realising it is a mistake? It's a bollocks excuse.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Totally. There are plenty of stupid things teenagers might do because they don't think through the consequences for others, which might result in tragedy but can ultimately be forgiven. Speeding/drink driving, for instance. This is not one of those. The consequences for others are right there in front of him as he does it.
Treacle Toes
Time
'20 minutes of action' was what Brock Turner's dad called his son's rape of a woman, deeming it shouldn't have to ruin his life.
This rapist and the judge come from the same fucking tribe clearly.
This rapist and the judge come from the same fucking tribe clearly.
dessiato
4 years and I still cry sometimes
I wonder what their reaction would be if it was their daughter he'd raped. Would they still think he'd made a mistake and should be allowed to get away with it.
This whole shit baffles me. I don't understand how people see this crime. Perhaps I'm just not rich enough.
I wonder too how much this judge's, and others, view is legitimised by having a president who talks about grabbing women by the pussy and thinks sexual assault is something you can do with impunity.
It's all such a total fuck up.
This whole shit baffles me. I don't understand how people see this crime. Perhaps I'm just not rich enough.
I wonder too how much this judge's, and others, view is legitimised by having a president who talks about grabbing women by the pussy and thinks sexual assault is something you can do with impunity.
It's all such a total fuck up.
8ball
1,200 lights
It's ludicrous. Was it pre- or post- or mid-mistake when he was later sharing the video with his mates?
Like with Rutita's earlier description - he leads her downstairs, he bolts the door, then there is what most people would describe as a pretty clear fork in the road, and none of the further branch points show any remorse or desire to get off the path.
Mrs Miggins
Eternal
By "action", does he explicitly mean sexual activity? As in "did you get any action last night?"
If so, it's quite clear what he thinks happened and therein lies the problem.
The cycle will never stop until these people start being properly prosecuted for what they have done.
I'm not sure this is the kind of wondering anyone should be doing tbf
8ball
1,200 lights
I don't like the choice of language they use either (speaking of Brock's family, and the judges in these cases).
I actually agree that it shouldn't have to ruin this young man's life, but it absolutely should have to change it.
It's like they're using one to mean the other.
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