Teenager who filmed himself raping girl 'deserves leniency because he's from a good family’-US judge

[nemoanonemo]

I'm glad I read to the end of the article. Justice may still be served:

"Now the judge has been sharply rebuked by an appeals court in a scathing 14-page ruling that warned the judge against showing bias towards privileged teenagers.

In doing so, the appeals court cleared the way for the case to be moved from family court to a grand jury, where the teenager, identified only as GMC in court documents, will be treated as an adult.

New Jersey law allows juveniles as young as 15 to be tried as adults when accused of serious crimes, and the grand jury will weigh whether to indict him on the sexual assault accusation."

 

[Treacle Toes]

They shouldn't have needed to appeal.

 

[Thimble Queen]

That poor girl.

 

[eatmorecheese]

Makes me feel sick. What the fuck is going on in this world

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Why is anyone surprised by this? This is the world now. These people - who have always been there - are on the rise, they see it as their time again. And it’s going to get a fuckton worse before it gets better

 

[agricola]

It is hard to read a judgement like that and not think that Cambyses might have had the right idea about judges of that kind.

 

[Rivendelboy]

The judge should have fucking explained to the kid that raping a drunk girl is going to fuck up his life.

Someone should also explain what rape is to the judge

 

[Yossarian]

Someone should also explain what rape is to the judge

Apparently for Judge Trioano to consider an attack a rape, it needs to involve multiple men, a weapon, and an abandoned outbuilding of some kind.

Judge Troiano said there was a “distinction” between “a sexual assault and a rape.”

He said “the traditional case of rape” generally involved two or more males using a gun or weapon to corner a victim into an abandoned house, shed or shack, “and just simply taking advantage of the person as well as beating the person, threatening the person.”

 

[8ball]

Apparently for Judge Trioano to consider an attack a rape, it needs to involve multiple men, a weapon, and an abandoned outbuilding of some kind.

This sentence is fine for a book, but shouldn’t be out in the wild, actually describing the real world.

 

[ferrelhadley]

In doing so, the appeals court cleared the way for the case to be moved from family court to a grand jury, where the teenager, identified only as GMC in court documents, will be treated as an adult.

New Jersey law allows juveniles as young as 15 to be tried as adults when accused of serious crimes, and the grand jury will weigh whether to indict him on the sexual assault accusation."

Is a 15-year-old a child or an adult?

1. Adult
   5 vote(s)
   6.5%
2. Child
   72 vote(s)
   93.5%

https://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/is-a-15-year-old-a-child-or-an-adult.235493/

I suggest that portion is surgically removed from them.

Not so long ago Saudi Arabia was seen as a horrific country for its practice of mutilation for crimes. Now you can call for this on here and no one bats an eye lid.

Fascinating watching threads like this.
The world has changed a great deal in the past few years.
People like me are completely out of touch with it.

 

[8ball]

Is it the world? Is it us? Is it both?

Let’s not forget, though, that this is people posting their initial reaction to this story, and a good bit of anger is justified here.

 

[weltweit]

Judge in being very out of touch with reality shocker !!

Possibly elderly judge?

 

[Yossarian]

https://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/is-a-15-year-old-a-child-or-an-adult.235493/


Not so long ago Saudi Arabia was seen as a horrific country for its practice of mutilation for crimes. Now you can call for this on here and no one bats an eye lid.

Fascinating watching threads like this.
The world has changed a great deal in the past few years.
People like me are completely out of touch with it.

The defendant in this case was 16 at the time of the rape - and what people are mostly taking issue with here is the judge's reasoning , not the decision on adult court - his remarks imply that he would send a 16-year-old to adult court if he deemed that he wasn't from a good family or had poor college prospects.

 

[planetgeli]

https://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/is-a-15-year-old-a-child-or-an-adult.235493/


Not so long ago Saudi Arabia was seen as a horrific country for its practice of mutilation for crimes. Now you can call for this on here and no one bats an eye lid.

Fascinating watching threads like this.
The world has changed a great deal in the past few years.
People like me are completely out of touch with it.

You appear to be making a point, and trying to say it typifies the thread, about one posters casual remark alluding to castration.

Whereas most people see this thread as being about the inappropriateness of a judges remarks based on his favouring the economic and educational background of a defendant he doesn't even believe should have been brought to trial by his victim because of how it may affect the defendants life.

What skewed priorities you and the judge seem to have.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

https://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/is-a-15-year-old-a-child-or-an-adult.235493/


Not so long ago Saudi Arabia was seen as a horrific country for its practice of mutilation for crimes. Now you can call for this on here and no one bats an eye lid.

Fascinating watching threads like this.
The world has changed a great deal in the past few years.
People like me are completely out of touch with it.

I think this point highlights issues with the American Justice system rather than poster's willingness to be overly punitive with a minor. We've seen how judges are willing to let convicted rapists go without any real consequences at all. This young man needs prolonged counseling and supervision (both custodial and community-based) to make sure he doesn't re-offend. Unfortunately, the system doesn't do that very well. Its a punitive system, rather than a rehabilitative one. Right now its all we have to work with.

 

[existentialist]

Judge in being very out of touch with reality shocker !!

Possibly elderly judge?

He's 69, but TBH that shouldn't be any kind of excuse.

The 69-year-old Troiano has been retired since 2011, but was recalled to work on some cases in 2012. Troiano first became a judge in 1992. His recall has been re-confirmed every two years since then, including in December 2018. His current recall will end in 2021, but he could be asked to come back for another two years at that point

(source: Judge James Troiano: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com)

 

[spanglechick]

What must it feel like, to be an American woman? To know that the very infrastructure of the country despises you... To know that your hard-fought rights are being eroded, no: wipes out at a rate of knots.

The Handmaid’s Tale has become more drastically relevant in the three years the tv show has been on air, ffs.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

https://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/is-a-15-year-old-a-child-or-an-adult.235493/


Not so long ago Saudi Arabia was seen as a horrific country for its practice of mutilation for crimes. Now you can call for this on here and no one bats an eye lid.

Fascinating watching threads like this.
The world has changed a great deal in the past few years.
People like me are completely out of touch with it.

Yeah, well I've always thought rapists should be castrated. No changes from me.

 

[existentialist]

Yeah, well I've always thought rapists should be castrated. No changes from me.

Rape isn't about bollocks, it's about power.

 

[Lurdan]

The Independent story which was quoted in the OP was based on one in the New York Times. However it had been heavily rewritten to focus on the Judge's comments rather than the crime that's alleged. The NYT is paywalled - here's an archived copy of the article. Amongst other things it includes this :

“While on the sofa, a group of boys sprayed Febreze on Mary’s bottom and slapped it with such force that the following day she had hand marks on her buttocks,” according to court documents.

After the assault, prosecutors said, G.M.C. left the room, but some of his concerned friends checked on her. Mary was found on the floor vomiting, and she was driven home by a friend’s mother.

When Mary woke up the following morning, she was confused about her torn clothing and bruises on her body, and told her mother she feared “sexual things had happened at the party” without her consent, court documents said.

Over the next several months, she learned that G.M.C. had shared the video among friends, but, when confronted, he denied recording the encounter and said the friends were lying, according to court documents.

Eventually, Mary learned that the boy had continued to share the video, prompting her mother to contact the authorities and ultimately pursue criminal charges in 2017.

(...)

“At the time he led Mary into the basement gym, she was visibly intoxicated and unable to walk without stumbling,” the prosecutor wrote. “For the duration of the assault, the lights in the gym remained off and the door was barred by a foosball table. Filming a cellphone video while committing the assault was a deliberate act of debasement.”

Perhaps I'm also "out of touch" but for me this is not primarily about the judge or about the age of the alleged rapist. It's about a rape which allegedly happened in 2016 or early 2017, so at least two years ago, in which a trophy video was allegedly filmed and circulated among a widening circle of voyeurs, and where so far there is not even a date set for a trial. With every possibility that the cunts who will be actively seeking out the victim's identity, thanks to the publicity this case has now got, will be successful, and she will be doxed even more publicly than she already has been.

 

[Anju]

What must it feel like, to be an American woman? To know that the very infrastructure of the country despises you... To know that your hard-fought rights are being eroded, no: wipes out at a rate of knots.

The Handmaid’s Tale has become more drastically relevant in the three years the tv show has been on air, ffs.

I was thinking along the same lines when the original version of this story appeared a couple of days ago and she was to be charged with manslaughter for getting shot and losing her baby.

Manslaughter Charge Dropped Against Alabama Woman Who Was Shot While Pregnant

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Rape isn't about bollocks, it's about power.

It's about both.

 

[JudithB]

It's not even surprising anymore


I attended a 'Slut walk' protest (protesting for the right and freedom to dress as one chooses and go where one likes without being raped, sexual assaulted etc) and the crowd were presented with statistics that demonstrated that male perpetrators of rape and sexual violence were more likely to die of cancer or be run over by a bus then be convicted. It's a calculated risk that pays off a lot.

I read very recently (and will look for the link) that only 1% to 1.2% of rapes results in a conviction. I am hoping that is not from those who go to court. Those numbers must be higher?

ETA 1.7% are prosecuted. Only 1.7% of reported rapes prosecuted in England and Wales

I could not see how many of these end up in a conviction.

I know this is the UK but if you think you might have a 98.3% chance of getting away with it, is it any wonder young boys in any country act like this

 

[existentialist]

It's about both.

My point is that castrating rapists is futile, pointless, and completely misses the point of the issue. These calls for castration are just like the cry that goes up for the death penalty every time some heinous offence is reported: it's all about retaliation and retribution, and nothing to do with the actual crime, victim, or the fact that rewarding violence and debasement with more of the same just makes us more like the cunts we're so happy to decry.

I don't want that piece of shit to be able to hide behind a state of mutilated victimhood. I want him to languish for an appropriately long period of time, deprived of his freedom and liberty, and to know that he will always be "that boy who raped a girl and boasted about it". Ultimately, I would like him to suffer the worst punishment of all - the realisation of the true awfulness of what he did that night. He won't get there if he has the convenient distraction of knowing that society treated him, just like he treated her, as a piece of meat to be used and abused.

 

[existentialist]

I read very recently (and will look for the link) that only 1% to 1.2% of rapes results in a conviction. I am hoping that is not from those who go to court. Those numbers must be higher?

ETA 1.7% are prosecuted. Only 1.7% of reported rapes prosecuted in England and Wales

I could not see how many of these end up in a conviction.

I know this is the UK but if you think you might have a 98.3% chance of getting away with it, is it any wonder young boys in any country act like this

Some detail, from last year
Rape prosecutions plummet despite rise in police reports

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

My point is that castrating rapists is futile, pointless, and completely misses the point of the issue. These calls for castration are just like the cry that goes up for the death penalty every time some heinous offence is reported: it's all about retaliation and retribution, and nothing to do with the actual crime, victim, or the fact that rewarding violence and debasement with more of the same just makes us more like the cunts we're so happy to decry.

I don't want that piece of shit to be able to hide behind a state of mutilated victimhood. I want him to languish for an appropriately long period of time, deprived of his freedom and liberty, and to know that he will always be "that boy who raped a girl and boasted about it". Ultimately, I would like him to suffer the worst punishment of all - the realisation of the true awfulness of what he did that night. He won't get there if he has the convenient distraction of knowing that society treated him, just like he treated her, as a piece of meat to be used and abused.

You're a better person than me

 

[existentialist]

You're a better person than me

Not necessarily. I think he suffers more, and for longer, my way.

 

[JudithB]

Jessica Eaton (an article of hers was mentioned in one of the feminism threads)
Unfortunately hits the nail on the head again

Why I stopped encouraging women to disclose to police or doctors after rape

 

[8ball]

Jessica Eaton (an article of hers was mentioned in one of the feminism threads)
Unfortunately hits the nail on the head again

Why I stopped encouraging women to disclose to police or doctors after rape

Fuck me. Sense I'm gonna need to steel myself before reading that.

 

[ferrelhadley]

[quote"]My point is that castrating rapists is futile, pointless, and completely misses the point of the issue. These calls for castration are just like the cry that goes up for the death penalty every time some heinous offence [/QUOTE]
Screaching lefties showing why their hysteris is better than the right wing version.,